My conversation with Pierre Poilievre
- Guest
- Pierre Poilievre
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- ~5 min
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- 13 Apr 2025
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- 1:20:57
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KEYPOINTS
- 01
Poilievre frames his 'why' as 'the Canadian promise': you can start anywhere and get anywhere.
He was adopted by two Calgary schoolteachers, and his wife came to Canada as a refugee from Venezuela. He rejects comparisons to Trump, citing Trump's wealthy upbringing and policy differences. He says the opposition leader's job is adversarial by design ('two sword lengths apart'), but governing means uniting people as 'Canadian first', judging individuals by conduct rather than group identity.
- 02
His case for growth starts with natural resources as the base of the national economy.
He argues resources are Canada's largest export sector, which supports the dollar and purchasing power. Resource companies and their workers pay large amounts of tax that fund roads, hospitals and schools. He lists Canada's endowment: third in oil, fifth in gas, first in uranium and potash, the longest coastline and the most fresh water. He proposes training 350,000 young people for trades jobs he says can pay $200,000–$300,000, and giving First Nations a stake in royalties. 'Decline is a choice.'
- 03
He explains the productivity gap as a shortage of investment, not of good workers.
By his figures, Canada produces about $53 US of GDP per hour worked versus $78 in the US. Business investment is about $15,000 per worker per year versus $28,000 in the US, or 65 cents for every dollar of the OECD average. He says workers lack the machines and equipment that raise output, and blames high taxes and slow permits. He cites Ireland, poor when his grandfather left and now with about twice Canada's GDP per capita, after embracing low taxes, fast permits and free trade.
- 04
He proposes making Canada the fastest place in the developed world to get permits.
He cites the second-slowest building permits in the OECD, 17 years to approve a mine, and a 14-year wait for the Indigenous-led Squamish LNG project. His plan is to repeal C-69 and C-48, target six-month approvals for major projects, and create 'shovel-ready zones' where environmental studies are done in advance and a legally binding permit is pre-published. He'd add a 25% regulatory cut and a two-for-one rule audited by the Auditor General, because the current one-for-one rule is gamed by merging rules under fewer titles.
- 05
His tax pitch centers on a 'Canada First Reinvestment' cut: no capital gains tax when proceeds are reinvested in Canada.
A business owner selling after 40 years would get a deferral by reinvesting in homes, businesses or equipment such as CNC machines, but not if the money leaves the country. He also promises a 15% income tax cut for the average worker, calling income tax 'the fine we pay for the crime of hard work', and cites a $500 billion net outflow of investment to the US over a decade.
- 06
He argues big government and deficits transfer wealth upward, 'from the have-nots to the have-yachts'.
He says inflation from deficit spending hurts the poor while asset owners gain, and housing restrictions inflate mansion values while shutting out young and immigrant buyers. He points to $21 billion a year on consultants ($1,400 per family) and says Mark Carney wrongly dismissed inflation risk in 2021, while farmers and small-business owners predicted it. He wants to keep the core social safety net.
- 07
To balance the budget, he'd make politicians feel scarcity through a dollar-for-dollar rule.
Every new dollar of spending would need a dollar of savings, modeled on the 1990s US pay-as-you-go rule he credits with balancing the budget under Clinton. He invokes Thomas Sowell: economics starts with scarcity, and politics ignores it. He'd shrink the public service by not replacing all of the 17,000 annual retirees, and cut consultants, foreign aid and corporate grants.
- 08
On tariffs, he'd retaliate but offer a tariff pause and quick renegotiation, using only concessions Canada could reverse.
He argues retaliation is needed for deterrence. He'd propose freezing tariffs for 100–120 days to renegotiate CUSMA, and offer increased defense spending for the shared continent, which he says Canadians want anyway. Any commitment would be revocable if tariffs returned. He argues tariffs on Canada strengthen China by weakening both North American economies.
- 09
He wants to reduce dependence on the US by getting energy to other markets.
He says nearly all Canadian gas and about 95% of its oil go to the US. Canadian LNG sells for about $4 versus about $14 in Europe. He cites advantages: cold weather making liquefaction about 25% cheaper, 11 days' shipping to Asia from BC versus 20 from the Gulf Coast, and surplus hydroelectricity. He'd create a pre-approved national energy corridor. For internal trade barriers, he'd pay provinces the extra federal revenue generated when they remove them.
EXAMPLES
- 01
23,500 projects in two years
During the financial crisis, he says, the Harper government's infrastructure minister demanded one-page applications and a single environmental review. 23,500 projects were completed in two years, and he says the environment commissioner found no resulting environmental harm. His takeaway: the extra reviews protected nothing.
- 02
Seven years in BC, seven weeks in Dallas
A BC businessman waited seven years for approval for a plaza. In Dallas, the mayor met him at the airport and he had permits in seven weeks.
- 03
40 offenders, 6,000 arrests
In Vancouver, police arrested the same 40 people 6,000 times. He blames the C-75 bail law and proposes jail rather than bail for repeat violent offenders, a three-strikes rule, release earned through behavior and job skills, and addiction treatment for 50,000 people.
- 04
The eye surgeon working as a technician
The technician at his Ottawa eye surgery performs surgeries in the UAE but can only assist in Canada. His fix for an estimated 20,000 immigrant doctors and 32,000 nurses is a voluntary national licensing exam modeled on the 72-year-old Red Seal standard for trades.
- 05
Greenhouse tomatoes and Rio Tinto aluminum
He argues carbon taxes on Manitoba greenhouses make Mexican tomatoes cheaper locally. Rio Tinto's Saguenay smelter emits about 2 tonnes of CO2 per tonne of aluminum versus about 14 in China, so he'd cut taxes on low-emission Canadian producers to reduce 'carbon leakage'.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
His view on media and speech
He'd repeal C-11 and end media subsidies, which he argues can make coverage look dependent on whoever offers the most money. Citing Bastiat's candle-makers petitioning against sunlight, he argues more voices are an opportunity. Incitement is already criminal, and for AI rules he wants full transparency about any instructions the government gives AI companies.
- 02
Why trust in government fell
He argues that people were promised help, then got doubled housing costs and food-bank lines, so government should do 'a few things right'. On his reputation, he says what reads as aggression comes from caring about people who are struggling, and he wants voters to go to the polls hopeful, not angry.
- 03
Parenthood and empathy
His six-year-old daughter Valentina is non-verbal, which has made him think about how families of children with disabilities pay their bills and plan for decades ahead.