How Emotions & Social Factors Impact Learning | Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang
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- Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang
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- 5 Jun 2023
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KEYPOINTS
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Emotions are the foundation of thinking and learning, not an add-on
Immordino-Yang, who studies emotion, learning and adolescent development, argues that emotions drive all thinking, decision-making, relationship-building and well-being. That doesn't license acting on every feeling. It creates a responsibility to develop habits of questioning and reframing emotional narratives when they aren't serving us or the world.
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Complex social emotions recruit the same body-regulating systems as basic ones
In her MRI studies, people heard true stories meant to evoke compassion or admiration. Emotions about physical pain and inspiring stories of virtue both engaged the brainstem, hypothalamus and anterior insula, the cortex that senses visceral states like heartbeat and digestion. Even our most abstract feelings are built on the physiology we share with much simpler animals.
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For story-based emotions, valence matters less than whether you must build a narrative
Her surprise finding: once emotions are about stories, whether they're positive or negative is no longer the defining feature. What matters is whether you directly witness something (someone breaks an ankle stepping off a curb) or must construct a story in your mind (a man dining alone whose spouse of 75 years recently died). That narrative leap is uniquely human and develops slowly.
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The default mode network activates during effortful meaning-making
Her team was among the first to show the default mode network actively engaging, not just switching off, during a demanding task: deciding how you feel about a story that requires cultural, contextual and personal knowledge. Stories that inspire admiration for someone's character or state of mind, such as Malala standing up to the Taliban, engaged it more than admiration for physical or cognitive skill.
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Responses can be predicted story by story
In a two-hour interview before scanning, participants reacted to about 50 stories. The stories that individually inspired someone predicted which ones would activate these networks for that person in the scanner. Immordino-Yang calls this 'transcending' a situation: going from 'that's unfair to her' to what it means about the world and about oneself.
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Adolescence is the developmental window for complex meaning-making
Young children can't fully appreciate others' mental states. Teenagers become driven to construct big meanings: their shoes become a statement about sustainability or counterculture. Yet that is exactly when school, she argues, doubles down on transactional testing, such as asking whether the servant in Great Expectations is Molly or Maria.
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Dehumanization works by rewriting the story
Asked how people who love their families can take part in genocide, she explains that the narrative imposed on another's pain shifts from 'another human suffering' to 'a rat, a pig, a bug'. That brings a different set of values into play. Huberman connects this to classic obedience studies suggesting most people could harm others under the right conditions.
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You can't think expansively when you feel unsafe
Default-mode activity, the basis of self-awareness and of building narratives, is fundamentally incompatible with vigilance about your immediate physical or social surroundings. Feeling physically, emotionally, culturally or socially unsafe makes it neurobiologically hard to imagine alternative perspectives, future outcomes or ethical implications. She notes creativity is also tied to these networks.
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Mirror neurons as a special cell type haven't been found
She says that, as far as she knows, the predicted dedicated mirror cell type was never found. She prefers Antonio Damasio's late-1980s model of convergence-divergence zones, in which networks bring processing together and send it back out, linking perceiving others' actions with our own goal-directed action.
EXAMPLES
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'I love you more than I'm glad there's daytime'
At about two, her daughter Nora saw her looking sad, pressed her mother's arm to her face and said she loved her, adding that she really loved her arm. Two years later, Nora whispered from bed that she loved her mother more than she was glad there's daytime. Immordino-Yang argues the visceral attachment was the same; what had developed was the ability to conceptualize love as an idea.
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Teens pausing during the Malala video
In experiments with teenagers, some covered their faces, closed their eyes or looked at the ceiling while watching. Coders watching with the sound off could spot these pauses. Afterward, speech slowed and posture closed, and students moved to bigger meanings, ethics, and themselves: 'I take school for granted; maybe I should do something for others.'
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The seventh-grade question about hominids
As a young science teacher in a South Boston public school district, she built an integrated, web-like curriculum linking nuclear fission, the sun, photosynthesis and metabolism. A student bravely asked why early hominids in a Nova documentary always looked Black. Her answer about melanin near the equator opened months of discussion spanning biology and culture, which hooked her on studying development and learning.
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Zeno's paradox and a student who never passed math
In a New York performance-assessment school, a Sudanese immigrant student who had never passed math spent months on a 'walking to the door' problem. If you keep going halfway, do you ever arrive? He said he learned fractions because he needed them, and became fascinated with finite and infinite. She quotes him in an article with Doug Knecht, 'Building Meaning Builds Teens' Brains'.
OTHER RELEVANT
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Lead learning with meaningful problems
Start with what a learner finds interesting and give them real problems that require the skills: writing, math, argument, filmmaking. Skills are 'what's in the cart'; the aim is developing 'the horse' that pulls it. Assessments based on deep projects, like those in a consortium of New York City public schools that replace standard exit exams with performance assessments, are one model.
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Interrogate your own default story
Ask what broader historical, ethical and civic implications follow from the narrative that feels like the truth, and invite others to tell you their version. Huberman deliberately follows social media accounts he disagrees with to keep perspectives in view.
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Create psychological safety for hard conversations
Whether in a classroom or a heated discussion, people need to feel safe before they can explore alternative perspectives or be creative. Reduce threat first, then invite reflection.
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Cold exposure when healthy; warmth when sick
Her teenage son had taken daily cold showers and reported no colds since. Huberman says short adrenaline spikes are protective while chronic stress isn't, citing Bruce McEwen and Robert Sapolsky. Once you're actually sick, he advises switching to warm showers, baths or sauna that aren't stressfully hot.