The Biology of Social Interactions & Emotions | Dr. Kay Tye
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- Dr. Kay Tye
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KEYPOINTS
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The amygdala does far more than fear
Tye, a Salk Institute neuroscientist and HHMI investigator, notes that the early Klüver-Bucy lesion studies left monkeys emotionally flat toward everything: food, feces, objects. Fear dominated research because it was easy to study. As a graduate student working on the basolateral amygdala, she showed its neurons strengthen their synapses and fire to cues that predict reward, which surprised the field when she presented it at the first Gordon Research Conference on the amygdala.
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Valence is assigned at a fork in the road
Valence means net good versus net bad, which Tye distinguishes from value, a scale of magnitude in one direction. Her lab traced amygdala projections and found separate populations sending mostly positive or mostly negative signals to different downstream targets, which drive approach or avoidance. At the time it was hard to publish because few thought neurons in one region could have completely different functions depending on where they project.
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Novelty gets a single chance to matter
The amygdala responds to anything new, like an unfamiliar tone or a fire alarm, then quickly stops responding if it predicts nothing. Tye calls this giving everything novel a chance to prove its importance in one trial. It's why someone else's ringtone startles her when her own phone is on do-not-disturb, while its owner barely notices it.
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The amygdala evaluates, but doesn't generate panic
Patient SM, who has damage to both amygdalae, shows no response to fearful faces or threats yet can still panic in response to suffocation. Tye's working model is that the amygdala's roughly 13 subnuclei assign importance and meaning rather than producing autonomic arousal themselves.
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Hunger can flip fear and reward priorities
Normally the negative-valence amygdala pathway can suppress the reward pathway, because escaping a predator matters more than eating. After one day without food, a big deal for mice given their high metabolism, the balance inverts and reward signaling can silence the fear pathway. The shift appears reversible, and the amygdala may sense hunger through receptors such as those for ghrelin. Tye cites the controversial 2011 Danziger study, in which judges' parole approvals were highest after meal breaks and plunged toward single digits before them. She stresses it was correlational.
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Loneliness neurons were found by accident
Former postdoc Gillian Matthews was testing whether dorsal raphe dopamine neurons respond to cocaine. The saline controls showed synaptic strengthening too, because injected mice were housed alone. These neurons, unlike the familiar VTA dopamine neurons, are unpleasant to stimulate: mice avoid places where it happens. Yet stimulating them makes mice more social. Tye compares this to eating out of uncomfortable hunger rather than pleasure, and concludes these may be loneliness neurons, encoding an aversive need for social contact.
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Social homeostasis: your set point shifts
Acute isolation produces a rebound of affiliative behavior when reunited. Chronic isolation produces aggression, territoriality or avoidance across humans, monkeys, mice and even flies. Tye's model is that you detect a deficit and try to reconnect, and if those efforts fail long enough, behavior drops off sharply and you adapt to a new baseline. Then your old normal level of contact feels like overload. She thinks many people experienced this shift going into and out of the pandemic.
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Empathy tracks whether someone is an ally or an adversary
Tye defines empathy as understanding another's emotion and taking it on, distinct from emotional contagion like group panic. She speculates that empathy is inversely correlated with seeing someone as a competitor standing in your way. Once you realize someone is out to get you, empathy disappears. Long isolation may make everyone feel like a competitor. Whether empathy for positive and negative events is truly asymmetric remains an open question.
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Prefrontal neurons predict who wins
In stable groups of four cage-mate mice, food-deprived and competing for a reward only one could collect, prefrontal activity stably encoded who was dominant. It also predicted above chance, up to about 30 seconds ahead, which mouse would win the next trial. For subordinates, prediction accuracy jumped near the cue, suggesting they watch the dominant and go when it seems disengaged. Dominants don't watch the subordinates at all. Huberman likens this to Don Draper in Mad Men saying, "I don't think about you at all."
EXAMPLES
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Tye's one hour a week
To control input from the top down, Tye spends less than an hour a week on email and social media combined. An assistant flags what matters, and she opens only those messages for about 10 minutes a day. Otherwise she overcommits, fragments her attention and can't have epiphanies. She notes this depends on your job and resources, and says she worked differently as a trainee.
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Reshuffled hierarchies
In preliminary, unreplicated work, Tye's lab ranked mice, then regrouped all the alphas together, all the betas together and so on. Alphas fight it out quickly. Intermediates seem to take longest to form a new order. That inbred mice behave so differently suggests rank during development shapes lasting traits, perhaps like birth order. Tye calls the link between eldest children and leadership loose.
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Her pandemic experiment of one
Tye went from never being alone to some days seeing no one. At first it felt like free fall. Then she adapted, started a garden and grew comfortable alone. She now deliberately mixes lots of varied social experiences with protected alone time, which she says makes her social system more elastic and resilient. She considers being alone a distinct brain state.
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Psilocybin under the microscope
Using Neuropixels probes recording thousands of prefrontal neurons in mice given psilocybin, Tye's lab asks whether psychedelics make transitions between hidden "mood" states more fluid, change how many states exist, or merge the neural representations of self and other. They test animals in conflict trials where reward and shock cues appear together, since the ambiguous gray zone is where valence assignment may shift. She cautions against psychedelic use, especially by young people.
OTHER RELEVANT
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Why isolation research lagged
Harry Harlow's maternal-separation experiments, in which baby monkeys preferred a soft cloth surrogate to a wire one with milk, caused irreparable harm and were deemed cruel. That history, Tye says, left a gap in neuroscience on isolation, even though loneliness is linked to shorter lifespan, mood disorders, and worse outcomes in heart disease and cancer. She notes solitary confinement is considered torture.
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Social media probably isn't real social contact
Tye predicts, while noting the study hasn't been done, that social media does little against loneliness. She believes meaningful contact depends on synchronous, shared interaction with some interbrain synchrony, and most social media is asynchronous: you react to things that already happened without you.
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Dynamic hierarchies may be healthier
Huberman recalls a neighborhood pack where the leader changed with the activity: skateboarding, soccer, art or knowledge. Tye agrees that leadership based on competence at the task at hand beats fixed hierarchies. She adds that a key step for a young scientist is the first experiment they run that no one told them to do.