What Humans, Animals and Plants Tell Us About Consciousness | Michael Pollan

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Michael Pollan
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28 Sept 2026
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    Consciousness is easy to recognize but hard to define

    Pollan starts from a few working definitions. One is simply subjective experience: a toaster has none, and he argues current AIs don't either. Another comes from philosopher Thomas Nagel's 1970s essay 'What Is It Like to Be a Bat?': if there is something it is like to be a creature, it is conscious. By that standard bats count, even though we can only roughly imagine navigating by sonar.

  • 02

    Humans long assumed they had a monopoly on consciousness

    From Descartes onward, other animals were assumed not to be conscious. Pollan notes that the first mirror self-recognition test on chimpanzees was only around 1970, about 55 years ago, when scientists began accepting that other primates are conscious too. Building a universal standard around our own version of consciousness, he says, seems 'kind of crazy.'

  • 03

    Consciousness may start with feelings in the brainstem, not thoughts in the cortex

    Pollan was persuaded by a line of work from Antonio Damasio in the 1990s and, more recently, South African psychiatrist and neuroscientist Mark Solms. Their view is that the brain exists to keep the body alive around homeostatic set points. The body reports on those set points through feelings like hunger, warmth, cold and itch, and consciousness arises from registering and acting on those feelings.

  • 04

    Most vagus-nerve traffic runs from body to brain

    Pollan says about 80% of the information in the vagus nerve flows from the visceral organs up to the brain. Huberman, who teaches neuroanatomy, confirms the figure and puts the descending share at roughly 15–20%, though nobody knows exactly. They argue that we lack language for most bodily signals. Huberman suggests our current state may reflect body signals integrated over the previous ~10 hours.

  • 05

    Plants show problem-solving that looks like intelligence

    Pollan distinguishes intelligence from consciousness but argues that plants handle novel problems, not just programmed reflexes. His examples are corn roots solving a maze and plants responding to the sound of feeding caterpillars. He doesn't think plants have the deliberate awareness that social life demands, but calls plant intelligence a fascinating field.

  • 06

    Awareness may exist because social life can't be pre-programmed

    Most of what the brain does, like monitoring the body and adjusting to the environment, happens without awareness. The most persuasive explanation Pollan has heard, which he admits is an evolutionary 'just-so story,' is that human society is so complex that you can't automate every move. That requires theory of mind, imagination and deliberate choices.

  • 07

    Consciousness without a self is possible

    Pollan points to the roughly 500 milliseconds after waking when you are reconstituting who and where you are. Huberman jokes it's 750 ms in a hotel room. That suggests consciousness doesn't have to be organized around a self, something Buddhists have long held. Pollan says psychedelics and experiences of awe also reduce the sense of ego, in a pro-social way.

  • 08

    Pollan keeps 'filter' theories of consciousness open

    After surveying the theories, Pollan concludes we have no real idea how brain matter generates consciousness, if it does. Some argue the brain channels consciousness like a radio or TV receiver: you wouldn't look inside the set for the weather presenter. He doesn't endorse this view, or panpsychism, but no longer dismisses either.

  • 09

    Building a conscious AI would test the feelings theory

    Some individuals and companies are trying to make AI conscious, not just intelligent, and those are different goals. If consciousness originates in feelings, it may depend on having a vulnerable body and perhaps mortality. Success or failure would both be informative.

  • 10

    Caffeine is a drug most of us are dependent on, and mostly a beneficial one

    Roughly 90% of adults use caffeine daily, as coffee, tea or yerba mate. Pollan says it has many health benefits up to about seven or eight cups a day, after which problems begin, and some people get jittery on much less. He cites benefits for Parkinson's and blood pressure, plus polyphenols in coffee and tea that help the microbiome. These are his claims from researching the topic.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    Awe shrinks the self, literally on paper

    Pollan describes an experiment by Berkeley colleague Dacher Keltner. People drew a stick figure of themselves on graph paper, then had an experience of awe such as river rafting, then drew themselves again. The second figure was about a third the size, which Pollan reads as a healthy, pro-social reduction in ego.

  • 02

    Corn roots in a maze

    Give a corn plant a maze with ammonium nitrate fertilizer in one corner, and its roots find the fastest path to it. Pollan stresses this isn't a situation the plant meets in nature, so it can't simply be programmed behavior.

  • 03

    Xenobots: behavior without genetic instructions

    Tufts biologist Michael Levin takes skin cells from tadpoles and puts them in a solution, where they clump into a new organism that lives about a week or two. These 'xenobots' repurpose their cilia to move, can be conditioned and can navigate mazes, though nothing in their genes encodes those instructions. Levin also argues that memory can be stored in bioelectric fields in groups of cells, not only in neurons.

  • 04

    Pollan's three-month caffeine fast

    Roland Griffiths, the Johns Hopkins psychopharmacologist who launched the psilocybin research renaissance and earlier studied caffeine, told Pollan you can't understand a habitual drug until you get off it. Pollan had been drinking coffee since age 8–10 at breakfast with his often-absent father. Quitting cold turkey brought flu-like symptoms. Even after they eased, he didn't feel like himself for about three months. His first cup back was 'better than any psychedelic experience': he cleaned his closet and the garden. The second cup was less special.

  • 05

    Ibogaine's unusual path to approval

    Pollan notes that ibogaine, the psychedelic nobody wants to use recreationally and one never put through university drug trials, looks set for approval first. He credits veterans' advocacy and says the push followed Joe Rogan texting the president. The same executive order is fast-tracking MDMA for trauma (Resilient, formerly Lykos, previously turned down and now resubmitted) and Compass Pathways' psilocybin. Pollan questions whether this is how drugs should be approved.

  • 06

    Two food chains

    In a roughly 8,000-word New York Times piece that became a chapter of The Omnivore's Dilemma, Pollan followed one cow from insemination to slaughter. He contrasted an oil-based corn feedlot system, in which the corn makes animals sick and requires drugs, with a sunlight-and-grass chain. He insisted on including the hopeful alternative, grass-fed beef, which was then a tiny market, and later visited Joel Salatin's rotational grazing farm in Virginia.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Try a caffeine break to learn your relationship with it

    Following Griffiths' advice, a period fully off caffeine shows how dependent you are. Expect withdrawal symptoms for a few days and possibly feeling 'not yourself' for longer. Pollan frames drugs as neither good nor bad but dependent on context.

  • 02

    Seek awe deliberately

    Awe can come from nature, rafting, music or psychedelics. Pollan presents its ego-shrinking effect as good for relationships and perspective, not just pleasant.

  • 03

    Treat the garden as a laboratory

    Pollan argues that about 8% of US land is protected and the rest is either 'virgin' or exploited. Learning to work with nature where we live, as in a garden, teaches more than visiting wilderness.