The Ultimate Guide to Friendship, Self-Esteem, & Anxiety W/ My 18 Year Old Son | Mel Robbins Podcast

Guest
Oakley Robbins
Read time
~5 min
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14 Sept 2023
Duration
1:03:17
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    When a teen boy goes quiet, it's usually not about you

    Mel's 18-year-old son Oakley explains that boys in high school learn that sharing sadness, or even liking someone, reads as weak or 'not masculine,' while anger is acceptable. A son who withdraws is often protecting his place in a social hierarchy, or still processing and not yet sure what he feels, which makes prying especially frustrating.

  • 02

    After school, let them decompress before you ask questions

    After eight or nine hours of classes, tests and social interaction, Oakley wants to greet the dogs, say hi, then spend 10–20 minutes alone in his room. Mornings are worse: he's tired and easily set off. A 20-minute debrief the moment he walks in is the last thing he wants; an enthusiastic hello is welcome.

  • 03

    Watch for the signal that they're ready to talk

    If he walks away mid-argument, don't stop him. When he's ready, he comes back to a shared space, maybe grabs food, and hangs around waiting for a parent to engage. The best opener names what you saw and asks: 'I noticed you're very upset, would you like to talk about it?' Skip 'hey bud,' which can feel condescending, and if he says no, give more space.

  • 04

    Ask: 'Do you want advice, or do you want me to just listen?'

    Oakley singles out this line of Mel's as one every parent should use. Parents instinctively jump in to solve problems, but often a teen just wants to tell you what happened and can work it out himself.

  • 05

    Cliques are closed and judgy; friend groups aren't

    Oakley's distinction: a clique only engages with itself and doesn't let others in. If you're in one, change it or leave; if you're outside one, you can still befriend individual members, who usually have other friends. Popular groups make you feel seen, but in his experience members often trash each other behind their backs.

  • 06

    Parents are coaches who never step onto the field

    Oakley, a senior mentor to ninth graders who presented parent tips at his school, repeats his headmaster's line: coaches can advise, watch and cheer, but cannot play the game. What teens most need to hear is that you're proud of them, you love them, you're there for them, and you like their friends.

  • 07

    Act like you like their friends, even if you're unsure

    Mel explains that if a teen senses judgment, they stop bringing friends home, and then you lose any window into who they spend time with. Invite friends to dinner and get to know them. Oakley mentions a study claiming 97% of a young adult's success depends on their five closest friends; neither he nor Mel names the research, so treat that figure loosely.

  • 08

    Stay out of minor social conflicts, but not serious ones

    Oakley pleads with parents not to contact the bully's parents or the school over teasing; the backlash the next day is worse. The exceptions are clear: racist or discriminatory remarks, anything dangerous, or a child who is becoming depressed or can't cope. Otherwise, keep asking what your child needs, and help them rehearse comebacks.

  • 09

    Dyslexia isn't a reason to 'try harder'

    Mel explains that dyslexic brains are wired differently and reading pathways take longer to form; Orton-Gillingham tutoring is the gold-standard way to train new connections. Helpful accommodations include audiobooks, typing instead of handwriting and getting teachers' notes. Oakley is strong in math but struggled when asked to show his work, because his brain takes shortcuts.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    The shorts incident

    In middle school Oakley wore jeans daily while hanging with the popular boys. The one day he wore shorts, a friend said his legs looked weird and spread it around. A few guys said 'that's not cool,' and he realized those were his real people.

  • 02

    Agree with the insult to defuse it

    His tactic for teasing: lean in ('yeah, they do kind of look stupid, funny right?'). The bully expects a reaction; when there isn't one, the teasing goes nowhere. He believes people who say hurtful things are usually hurting themselves, but acknowledges it still stings.

  • 03

    Oakley's anxiety and Mel's breakdown

    Oakley's childhood fear of vomiting became anxiety that makes him feel nauseous, and at its worst he skipped dinners with friends. He says therapy and medication helped, with no shame in either. He recalls Mel sobbing on Mother's Day after selling their Massachusetts house, begging Chris to get it back; seeing parents break down, he says, was scary but helpful, because it showed him nobody is happy all the time.

  • 04

    The barn with two rules

    Outside Boston, their narrow farmhouse with a low dirt basement was never the hangout house for daughters Sawyer and Kendall. In Vermont, Mel built an outbuilding with nothing breakable, sat Oakley's friends down and set two rules: leave it as you found it, and make the bunk beds. She posted a step-by-step photo guide, down to the European shams.

  • 05

    Cell phones: wait on the smartphone

    For a 14-year-old without a phone, Oakley says it's helping, not hurting; nobody gets bullied for it. He suggests around 16, the age you can drive, for a smartphone. A flip phone for texting parents is fine earlier.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Curfew is about safety, not control

    Mel's rule in rural Vermont, with no Ubers: home by midnight, which means no drinking or smoking, or sleep over. At their house she takes car keys and everyone stays the night. Her strictness comes from losing a family friend to a drunk-driving crash in high school.

  • 02

    Make chore requests immediate and shared

    Teens forget anything asked for 'in an hour.' Ask face to face and right now: feed the dogs, clear the table. Avoid the 'I pay the bills' card; offering to do the dishes alongside them, or saying you need help because you have to go do something, gets less attitude.

  • 03

    Help kids find their people through shared activities

    Clubs and sports put you in a room of 20 people who like the same thing. As a new ninth grader from Massachusetts, Oakley simply walked up to people. At lunch, 'I'm new, you guys look cool, can I sit with you?' works, and a no tells you which group to avoid. The first friend won't always be your best friend.

  • 04

    Confidence in class and getting teens to listen

    Oakley recommends a drama class for projecting and public speaking, and reminds nervous students that classmates aren't waiting for you to mess up. To get your teen to hear this conversation, play it in the car, pick a 10-minute segment, or mention a kid their age is talking.