PSYCHOLOGICAL TRICKS To Boost Your Influence, Income, and Impact TODAY! | The Mel Robbins Podcast
- Guest
- Vanessa Van Edwards
- Read time
- ~5 min
- Uploaded
- 1 Dec 2022
- Duration
- 1:40:19
- Views
- 493.2K
KEYPOINTS
- 01
Charisma means signaling warmth and competence together
Behavioral investigator Vanessa Van Edwards says research finds charisma has nothing to do with being extroverted, attractive, athletic or even intelligent. Highly charismatic people consistently signal two things: warmth (trust, likability, friendliness) and competence (capability, power, effectiveness). When both come through, the other person can quickly conclude 'I can trust you' and 'I can rely on you.'
- 02
Under-signaling hides how good you really are
Van Edwards draws on Dr. Susan Fiske's Princeton research: without enough warmth, people don't believe your competence. Her students are often brilliant overachievers who assume their smarts will speak for them, but if they don't send the cues, 'the world literally cannot believe them.' Mel highlights the claim that warmth and competence make up about 82% of how people evaluate you. Van Edwards says that judgment happens again on every Zoom call, email and LinkedIn profile, not just at first meeting.
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There are four types, and charisma works like a dial
The rare sweet spot is high warmth with high competence. Her example is Oprah, who gets guests to share their darkest secrets but asks the hard questions, as in her Lance Armstrong interview. Steve Jobs is her example of high competence with almost no warmth: brilliant, but seen as cold and not a team player. People who are mostly warm are empathetic cheerleaders who give too much to be liked. The fourth group under-signals both.
- 04
The need to be liked and the need to be right both backfire
If you lean too warm, especially at work, your need to be liked gets in the way of your need to be respected. If you lean too competent, your need to be right gets in the way of being liked. Signs you lean competent: people call you intimidating, you fact-check people on Google mid-conversation, and you try to fix a partner's bad day when they just want you to listen.
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Awkwardness looks different in introverts and extroverts
Van Edwards calls herself a 'recovering awkward person' and an overthinker who replays every conversation in bed at night. Introverts tend to shut down out of fear of being judged. Extroverts tend to over-talk, show off or turn into a drama queen. She says telling yourself to 'just be confident' doesn't work, so she aims to be purposeful about the cues she sends instead.
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Cues come in four forms
Verbal cues (your words) are what people prepare most. There are also nonverbal cues (gestures, face, body), vocal cues (volume, pace, cadence, tone), which she calls the most overlooked, and 'ornaments' (jewelry, background, nails, hair, glasses). Her research also tracks 'danger zone' cues, the negative signals that undercut you.
- 07
Up-talk makes listeners doubt you
Ending a statement on a rising, question-like inflection shifts the listener, she says, from listening to scrutinizing. Her example is a salary ask: 'I'm really looking for a range of over $100,000?' That invites negotiation. She calls it permission-seeking behavior, more common among very warm people and among women, who are often taught early to be liked. The fix is to speak on the out-breath with a downward inflection, and to re-listen to your own voicemails.
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Gestures and words have to match
When words and gestures conflict, she says the brain believes the gesture. Saying 'big idea' while pinching your fingers together reads as a small idea, and Mel's attempt to say 'five' while holding up three fingers felt wrong to her right away. Purposeful gestures, like holding up two fingers for 'two things,' make you seem competent and easier to remember. She stresses this isn't interpretive dance.
- 09
Fake smiles leave people cold, so use other warmth cues
Van Edwards cites Dr. Barbara Wild's research. Real smiles reach the upper cheeks and create crow's feet, muscles she says only about 1 in 10 people can move on purpose. People who looked at real smiles felt happier, while fake smiles had no effect. Her advice is to 'smile purposefully, not more' and to use a neutral expression or a full real smile in LinkedIn and dating photos. Another warmth cue is a slow triple nod, which she says makes the other person speak 67% longer.
EXAMPLES
- 01
The muffled doctor voices and malpractice lawsuits
In a study she describes, doctors recorded 10-second introductions, which were then muffled so only tone, pace and volume came through. Doctors rated lowest on warmth and competence from these clips had the highest rates of malpractice lawsuits. The most common pattern among the low-rated voices was up-talk.
- 02
Coding thousands of hours of TED Talks
Her lab counted cues in TED Talks against view counts. The most viral talks averaged 465 hand gestures in 18 minutes, compared with 272 for the least popular, almost half.
- 03
Lieberman's fear-face experiment
Van Edwards cites UCLA's Matthew Lieberman: seeing a fearful facial expression activated people's amygdala in an fMRI scanner, meaning they 'caught' the fear. Labeling the emotion as 'fear' calmed the amygdala again. She uses this to argue that both good and bad cues are contagious, and that noticing them gives you some control.
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Achievement words doubled people's persistence
Two groups got test instructions of the same length, but one version included words like 'win,' 'succeed' and 'achievement.' Three or four of those words improved performance and, by her account, doubled people's desire to keep working. She applies the idea to email: words like 'collaborate' encourage collaboration, and 'let's power through' encourages getting things done.
- 05
Neil deGrasse Tyson's eyebrow test
She says Tyson tries space facts on airplane seatmates and only puts in his books the ones that make people raise their eyebrows and say 'really?' An eyebrow raise is her silent cue for 'I'm listening, tell me more.'
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Run a 360 on your charisma
Take her free quiz at scienceofpeople.com/charisma as your real self, not your ideal self. Then have a partner, friend and colleague take it as you and compare the results. Many people come across differently at home and at work. Also record an important Zoom call and code every cue: gestures, fidgeting, vocal power and word choice.
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The first 10 seconds of a call
Show your hands right away, with a wave or a 'hey everybody.' She says hidden hands put the brain on alert, a holdover from checking strangers for weapons. Sit at least 18 inches from the camera, since closer than that is the 'intimate zone.' Say your name without up-talk.
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Read nervous tells in clusters
Common tells include mashing the lips together, touching the face or stomach (she cites Cornell research on this), purposeless gestures like wringing hands or playing with a necklace, and pauses in the middle of sentences. One cue alone means little. When she spots three on a team call, she checks in gently: 'Rob, any hesitations?'
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When someone is dismissive
Resist going on offense or defense. First send warmth and competence and hope it rubs off. If that doesn't work, name a likely emotion ('you seem frustrated'). People often correct you ('no, disappointed'), and that gives you something real to talk about.
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Silent cues for introverts
Subtly mirror the other person's energy, the way Oprah matches high- and low-energy guests. Use eyebrow raises, nods and head tilts. Reflect a friend's sadness on your face so they can see you're sharing the weight with them.