These 4 Words Will Silence Your Self-Doubt: A Life-Changing Conversation | The Mel Robbins Podcast

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Kendall Robbins
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17 Aug 2023
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    Imposter syndrome is a near-universal fear of being found out

    Mel frames it as intellectual self-doubt: you walk into a room, start doubting whether you deserve to be there, and worry people will discover you have no idea what you're talking about. She notes the term was coined in the 1970s by two female researchers and cites Harvard Business Review reporting that executives worldwide name being found incompetent as their number one fear. The point is to normalize the feeling before trying to fix it.

  • 02

    Being surrounded by people you admire can make the feeling spike

    Kendall, 23 and a recent graduate pursuing a career as a touring singer-songwriter, got an artist pass to a music festival through a family friend. Thirty minutes in, alone, in a long skirt in 85-degree heat, she realized the backstage tent was where established artists she had streamed for years were standing in the free-food line. Her instinct was to rip the wristband off and go stand in the audience.

  • 03

    Isolating yourself is how imposter syndrome does its damage

    Kendall spent roughly the first five hours of day one alone, to the point that someone asked if she was okay because she looked so out of place. Mel's diagnosis: when you get up in your head and intellectualize 'I don't belong,' you cut yourself off from both what you could gain from the room and what you could give to it.

  • 04

    The first turn is choosing gratitude over self-torture

    Kendall's shift was not instant. She told herself she could either keep torturing herself in front of her favorite artists or enjoy being within arm's reach of them, with free food and backstage views. Naming what she lacked (no Grammy, no music on Spotify, not performing) and then deciding to be grateful anyway is what loosened the grip.

  • 05

    Enter every room with a learner's posture and something to give

    Kendall recalled advice from her mentor Sean Holt, vice dean at USC's Thornton School of Music: walk into rooms without ego, lean into gratitude for what you'll learn, but know there is a reason you're there and you will give people something they didn't know they needed, just as they'll give you something. Kendall calls it a balance: only focusing on giving makes you self-obsessed; only on learning makes you dumb yourself down.

  • 06

    You're not an imposter if you're a beginner

    The line that stopped Mel mid-conversation was Kendall's reframe: she isn't an imposter, she is a beginner, because that is simply what she is. Accepting where you are, rather than measuring yourself against what admired people have already accomplished, is what she says makes the imposter feeling largely disappear.

  • 07

    Beat everyone to your inconvenient truths

    A second Sean Holt idea: you become one of the most powerful people in the room when you say the awkward fact first. For Kendall that meant answering 'do you have music out?' with no, she just graduated and is figuring out her sound, rather than dodging. Saying it was horrible the first time, her jaw locked, but vulnerability is what created connection.

  • 08

    What you contribute may have nothing to do with your skill set

    Mel points out the first thing Kendall gave wasn't music at all but her sense of humor; inappropriate jokes broke the ice with someone highly regarded who may be part of her career going forward. Kendall's takeaway is that in rooms where you feel like an imposter, your contribution is likely to be your humanity, a relatable experience or your humor.

  • 09

    Imposter syndrome is a compass pointing at what you want

    Mel argues you only feel it in situations you care about; Kendall notes she would never feel it at a financial convention because she has no desire to be in that room. The discomfort is your dreams saying there is work to do. Mel stresses the feeling recurs at new levels rather than vanishing.

  • 10

    If you can't believe you deserve to be there, trust there's a reason

    Mel's alternative to forced confidence: you don't have to declare that you deserve the room. Anchor in faith that there is something for you to learn or discover about yourself there, and don't leave the room.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    The festival turnaround

    Once Kendall started introducing herself as a beginner, the friends her family connection introduced her to took her under their wing. Working musicians told her that being around someone so fresh reminded them why they started, since doing music to pay the bills gets long and hard. She ended up performing at a late-night show and was asked by several people to collaborate and write together.

  • 02

    Mel's crying-in-the-hotel-room moment

    About nine years earlier, before she'd been paid to speak, Mel was invited onto a panel in California. At the opening reception she saw Christy Turlington and Gretchen Rubin, had one TEDx talk nobody had heard of yet, and fumbled 'what do you do?' She skipped dinner, cried and stayed up all night, but that discomfort clarified that she wanted to create work people recognized. She kept showing up feeling like an imposter for another two or three years before publishing.

  • 03

    Levels of being a beginner

    Mel notes Kendall isn't a total novice: she graduated from USC Thornton's pop music program studying with Grammy-winning artists. Mel herself hosted an award-winning radio show and recorded audiobooks with Audible, yet felt like a beginner launching a podcast, and again when she met Alex Cooper of Call Her Daddy before her own show existed.

  • 04

    'You're not a nobody' texts

    Kendall texted her USC friends that she was a nobody drinking alone while famous artists walked past. They replied that she was supposed to be there. Her reflection: awards, fans and followings are not who people are; 'so-and-so is not her Grammy.'

  • 05

    Imposter syndrome about the episode itself

    Kendall admitted feeling like an imposter for talking about imposter syndrome to Mel's large audience with no album, tour or following. Mel called it a classic example and argued that being in the middle of it makes her more relatable than someone who already figured it out.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Catch it, then flip to gratitude

    When you notice 'I shouldn't be here' in a new job, school, neighborhood or workout class, recognize the thought and switch to being grateful you're there and excited to learn from others. Mel's claim is not that the feeling stops, but that you can stop destroying yourself over it.

  • 02

    Script your inconvenient truth in advance

    Decide how you'll say the thing you're embarrassed about (no product yet, new to the role) plainly and early, ideally with what you're excited about next. Kendall's version: just graduated, working on music, not rushing the process.

  • 03

    Don't wait to be validated for results you don't have yet

    The compliments that mattered to Kendall were about her spirit, ambition and passion, not her original music. Early in a path, those are the things worth being seen for.

  • 04

    Introduce yourself, even if you're alone

    The festival only changed once Kendall started meeting people through the friends she was introduced to. Staying in the corner protects you from awkwardness but guarantees you neither give nor receive anything from the room.