How To Create Better Relationships: 6 Surprising Lessons From 30 Years Of Marriage
- Guest
- Chris Robbins
- Read time
- ~5 min
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- 28 Oct 2024
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- 1:18:56
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KEYPOINTS
- 01
Lesson one (Mel): get in the boat
Mel and her husband Chris each prepared three lessons separately, without telling the other. Mel's first came from her father, Bob, on his 56th anniversary with her mother, Marsha: marriage is like sailing; when it's stormy 'you put on a life jacket and a safety harness and you go,' because 'we started out the journey together, we want to finish it together.' Mel admits she has too often been 'in a raft with a bunch of friends' complaining about Chris instead of being in the boat with him.
- 02
Couples quietly quit before they break up
Mel's warning is that when things get rocky or boring, people drift into coexisting like roommates without noticing they've stopped trying. No advice works if you're not committed to making it work. Chris adds a check: picture yourself at 85 on a porch rocking next to this person, and if you've drifted, ask why you got in the boat in the first place.
- 03
Lesson one (Chris): have your partner in mind
Chris's lesson was about flowers. During a hard stretch, he thought a clean house, a cooked dinner and ready kids were enough. Mel said 'you can't even buy me flowers,' which made him realize that despite knowing how much she loves them, it had never occurred to him to buy or cut some for her. It's not about the flowers but whether, in a busy week, your partner thought about you.
- 04
Separate boats lead to the 'me' stage
Mel cites a model from her therapist: a 'me' stage, a 'we' stage and a deeply connected stage where you hold the other person in mind. With Mel on the road 150 days a year giving keynotes and Chris as stay-at-home dad, both felt unseen, rowing hard in separate boats. They spent years fighting about dishes and dogs and 'who's on first' while ignoring whether each had the other in mind.
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Lesson two (Mel): love the person, not the potential
Mel says the biggest relief in their marriage is that Chris doesn't pressure her to change: he gets up an hour and a half earlier and closes the curtains so she can sleep, doesn't shame her for not skiing or golfing, and tolerates her being messy, loud and late. That acceptance makes her want to be better. She once resented his introversion and wished he were the life of the party; he jokes he is, 'just on a little quieter note.'
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Acceptance isn't tolerating bad behavior
Mel distinguishes asking a partner to learn skills, such as cooking, picking up or putting the toilet seat down, from pressuring them to change their fundamental nature. She says unconditional love doesn't mean unconditional tolerance: if someone is abusive or disrespectful, explaining it away means you're chasing potential and not seeing who they actually are.
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Lesson two (Chris): talk about the roles you think you're playing
At their wedding, friends called Mel the tornado and Chris the rock. Mel heard 'rock' as the foundation; Chris heard boring and later equated being a good rock with earning money, so when he didn't, he felt like a failure. About ten years ago they deliberately split roles, with Mel on career and money and Chris on family, which he calls the best decision they made.
- 08
Money creates a silent power dynamic
They've always had one joint account; Mel says separate pots breed resentment and force no conversations. But whoever earned more seemed to have more power, and when Mel became the breadwinner she caught herself adopting a 'chauvinistic' mindset that she got to make the call. She argues primary caregiving has massive economic value that should be credited. Chris reframes it: for him it was never about power but about contribution.
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Lesson three (Mel): assume good intent
Remind yourself of the goodness that made you choose this person; if a dish is left in the sink, assume he was busy and meant to come back to it. Mel calls it a skill that leaves no room for resentment. When behavior genuinely needs to change, though, explain its impact rather than labeling the person.
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Lesson three (Chris): ten seconds of eye contact
Even when they were aligned on logistics, Chris felt they were ships passing. Starting that year, he stops Mel in the kitchen, puts his hands on her shoulders and looks into her eyes for 10-15 seconds. Mel likens it to what psychologists call refueling, a child running back to a caregiver on the playground before heading back to the swings.
EXAMPLES
- 01
The financial collapse of 2007-2008
Chris's restaurant, started with best friends partly so he could be home more than his own traveling father, struggled when the financial crisis hit. They had jointly taken a home equity line, maxed out credit cards and liquidated a 401(k) and the kids' college savings. Checks bounced and they couldn't pay for town soccer. The restaurant hadn't paid Chris in six months when he left.
- 02
Passed out from bourbon
Mel says both were drinking heavily then; their oldest, Sawyer, now 25, remembers coming downstairs to find them asleep in living room chairs after drinking. Chris was in 'freeze' while Mel channeled anger into earning, from a weekend radio show to a 5-day-a-week show in Orlando and odd jobs.
- 03
The cardboard boxes 'middle finger'
Mel stacks unpacked boxes by the door instead of flattening them. After repeated fights, Chris sat her down and said every stacked box felt like her giving him the middle finger, a sign he was the maid and his requests didn't matter. Because he explained the impact without calling her a slob, the boxes took on a new meaning and she changed.
- 04
Mel's fly-fishing lie
On their first conversation, realizing Chris was a serious outdoorsman, Mel claimed she fly-fished, though she'd never held a fly rod; she grew up fishing and cleaning salmon, but not that. She used it to show her old habit of reshaping herself to match whomever she dated.
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Where the role swap led Chris
Mel notes Chris would never have chosen it, but becoming the primary parent led him to a master's in spiritual psychology, starting a men's retreat and becoming a death doula. Both daughters, she says, want someone just like Dad.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Name your 'flowers'
Tell your partner one small, specific thing that shows they had you in mind; Mel's request is grabbing a cheap bunch of tulips at the grocery store. Ask what theirs is. Chris now picks up dog poop daily so the dogs aren't only Mel's job.
- 02
Put money conversations in the same category
If the power dynamic around money bothers you, raise it as a direct request. Mel says unspoken resentment about it built for years because 'when you don't talk about something, your emotions start doing the talking for you.'
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Describe the impact, not the flaw
When a petty habit keeps causing fights, explain how it makes you feel, like disrespected or like the maid. Mel says nearly every small argument is really about not feeling considered or respected.
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Try the shoulders-and-eyes greeting tonight
Hold your partner at arm's length by the shoulders, look them in the eye and smile, then end with a kiss, a hug or 'I love you.' It's different from a passing hug that one person ends early.