The Most Important Career Advice You’ll Ever Hear With Harvard Business School’s #1 Professor
- Guest
- Alison Wood Brooks
- Read time
- ~5 min
- Uploaded
- 3 Apr 2025
- Duration
- 1:07:34
- Views
- 1.2M
KEYPOINTS
- 01
The best negotiators are great communicators, not tough guys
Brooks, a behavioral scientist with a Wharton PhD, was hired at Harvard Business School to teach negotiation and later created TALK, a waitlisted course on conversation. She says studies of real negotiations show the best negotiators build relationships, work out what the other side needs and deliver it. Most deals involve more than one issue, and even making the interaction pleasant is value that makes a concession more likely.
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People who thrive at work are good at conversation
Brooks says high performers do well talking with co-workers, bosses, clients and investors, and are people everyone likes working with. Leaders from CEOs to the night-shift manager at a restaurant tell her their success came from connecting with people. Business students over-focus on hard skills like finance and accounting.
- 03
Assume nobody at work knows what you're working on
Mel cites research that, especially for women and minorities, promotion depends on whether contributions are known. Brooks says that if you trace how someone became known as a high performer, it often leads back to them telling someone. If something great happens and no one notices, it's up to you to share it.
- 04
Trying to persuade backfires; trying to learn works
Brooks calls the persuasion mindset 'very dangerous.' Before asking for a raise, find out what your boss values, what you're nailing, what to drop and how replaceable you are. If 200 résumés sit on their desk, your leverage is weak. A learning approach turns the talk into joint problem-solving and, she says, ironically makes you more persuasive.
- 05
Ask for casual feedback all the time, not just at review season
Formal 360s and annual reviews are high-stakes and nerve-racking. Brooks prefers quick questions: 'What did you think of my slides? Should I have used slides at all?' Regular asking keeps you in the conversation as a visible contributor and makes the other person invested in you.
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Real strength in a raise conversation is open-minded, not righteous
After the groundwork, Brooks says it's fine to ask whether the organization can afford a raise and whether your boss has the power to give one. Mel pushes back that it sounds weak, and Brooks says strength in conversation looks different from what we imagine. Mel adds that assuming you're owed more because the company seems successful is arrogant when you haven't seen the P&L. If the answer is no, ask what it would take, such as bringing in more clients.
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Pay isn't the only thing to negotiate
Brooks stresses that money matters tremendously, but happiness at work also depends on meaning, relationships, a work bestie, parking and good coffee. If a $10,000 or $20,000 raise isn't possible, she suggests asking for a four-day week, an office espresso machine, or hiring a well-qualified friend for an open role. She also advises behaving like the job you want: once you're doing next-level work, point it out.
- 08
Networking means curiosity, not dazzling people
Mel cites the claim that 80% of jobs aren't listed. Brooks recommends in-person or phone contact over LinkedIn, and not leading with 'I'm looking for a job.' Ask for five minutes to learn what someone works on, what their pain points are and what their organization is missing. That's also how she says job seekers should prepare: work out what the organization needs instead of how to look impressive.
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Reframe nerves as excitement instead of trying to calm down
Brooks's dissertation research, which Mel has cited for seven years, says anxiety comes from uncertainty plus lack of control. Because it's a high-arousal state (racing heart, sweaty palms), telling yourself to calm down rarely works. Saying 'I'm excited,' ideally out loud, shifts you toward imagining how things could go well. People performed better because they spent less prep time fighting their nerves.
EXAMPLES
- 01
Mel's advice to a restaurant manager, revised
A waitress-turned-manager who listens to the show told Mel she was asking for a raise the next week. Mel told her not to cite Glassdoor ranges (which feels like an ultimatum) but to list every problem she solves. Mel admits she skipped the key step of thinking about what makes her irreplaceable to her boss. Brooks adds: bring the list and ask which items are most valuable, what to do more or less of, and how to grow.
- 02
Number one on Apple Podcasts
Mel mentions that the show had just ranked number one worldwide on Apple Podcasts, ahead of Joe Rogan, and says she almost didn't say it for fear of seeming boastful. Brooks's point: even twice-weekly listeners wouldn't have known, and now that it's been said, she can repeat it to others.
- 03
Getting better restaurant shifts
Both women waitressed. Brooks suggests first 'trading on differences' with fellow servers who have different preferences. Then ask the manager what they weigh when building the schedule and what you could do to be considered for the shift you want. Mel notes this puts the employee 'with' the boss rather than against them. Her husband Chris uses a similar line: 'Mel, I'm not against you.'
- 04
Mel's Friday routine for making work visible
Mel shares what she told her daughter at a large cybersecurity firm: every Friday, jot what you worked on, then email your boss what you finished, what's next and whether there's a higher strategic priority. A tip she heard at a conference: when you solve a problem, send a broad email about how. Brooks compares it to an academic CV that logs everything.
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'Two professional, two personal'
Brooks thinks 'tell me about yourself' is a poor interview question, but if you get it, say you'll share two things about your work and two about your personal life. She would mention that she's an identical twin, which is part of why she's obsessed with connection. Mel loves that the framing sounds prepared and gives a nervous candidate structure.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Follow up after short conversations, with a callback
Brooks cites a study of entrepreneurs in Africa who were taught to follow up more thoroughly. Send a quick text thanking them and saying it was valuable, and mention something they told you, like their daughter's tech job, to show you listened.
- 02
End final interviews with gratitude
Interviewers gave you their time. Saying 'No matter what happens, I've loved getting to know you and learning from you' lands well, Brooks says.
- 03
Treat rejections as bulbs on a string of lights
In TALK, every relationship is a string of cafe lights and each conversation a bulb you try to make glow brighter. Mel's takeaway for job seekers: some bulbs never light, so keep moving to the next.