4 Attachment Styles You Need To Know To Create Healthy Relationships | The Mel Robbins Podcast
- Guest
- Dr. Marisa Franco
- Read time
- ~5 min
- Uploaded
- 17 Nov 2022
- Duration
- 1:12:50
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- 168.7K
KEYPOINTS
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Attachment style is the set of assumptions you bring into every relationship
Dr. Franco, a psychologist at the University of Maryland and author of Platonic, explains that your style shapes how you give and receive love in friendships, families and at work, not just in romance. Your interpretation of events, filtered through that lens, often matters more than what actually happened. It's a spectrum: nobody is fully secure, anxious or avoidant.
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Secure people assume they're lovable and balance their needs with yours
They give and receive love comfortably, raise conflict level-headedly and are vulnerable in a reciprocal way: they share, wait for you to share, then go deeper, and pull back if you don't respond. They accept your boundaries without pushing or withdrawing. They talk about exes with nuance ('it didn't work for this reason, but I liked them for that') rather than calling them evil.
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Anxious attachment centres on fear of abandonment
Anxiously attached people see rejection where there is none, like a tired friend or a slow reply. She cites research that their amygdala is more reactive. They over-accommodate and self-sacrifice until they blow up, struggle with boundaries, over-apologise, give in order to be liked, and invalidate their own feelings, so they need others to soothe them. They tend to misremember events as more negative than they were and have the highest rates of mental health issues.
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Avoidant attachment is a defence against a need for connection that feels unsafe
Avoidant people believe closeness leads to harm, so they initiate less, ghost more, minimise problems, stonewall and struggle to apologise. Underneath, she says, is deep shame and a core belief of 'I'm a failure, I'm deficient', so criticism hits hard. They often have a 'phantom ex', a relationship they miss only after leaving it once the urge for space fades.
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Disorganised attachment flips between craving and fearing closeness
It usually follows extreme early experiences such as abuse. People with this style swing between anxious and avoidant behaviour, may escalate in anger or read negative intent into neutral actions, and can feel frozen about whether to move closer or pull away.
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Your style can differ from one relationship to the next
A very anxious partner can make you feel avoidant, and a distant one can make you anxious. Franco also draws on internal family systems: younger selves, like a bullied sixth-grader, can take over in the moment, but everyone has a highest, adult self that is securely attached. Women skew slightly anxious and men slightly avoidant.
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Anxious people often mistake being triggered for being in love
Hurt and excitement are both high-arousal states, so an inconsistent, hot-and-cold partner can feel thrilling. A secure person just leaves. The anxious person tries to earn the love and is put off when someone gives it freely. Franco says that when she was more anxious, she'd lose interest as soon as someone wanted her back.
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Falling in love can mask attachment styles for about a year
The chemical cocktail of early love can make an avoidant partner comfortable with intimacy, until perhaps a year in, often after moving in together, when they suddenly feel suffocated and say their partner expects too much.
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Secure and insecure people express anger differently
She draws on John Bowlby's 'anger of hope' versus 'anger of despair'. A girl left alone in hospital asked her mother 'where was you?', which is vulnerable anger aimed at repair. A boy named Reggie said of a returning caregiver, 'my very own Marianne, but I hate her', which is anger aimed at destroying. Anxious adults bottle up, then blow up, character-assassinate or collapse into self-blame. Avoidant adults go quiet, withdraw, and later call you too sensitive.
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Insecure attachment carries physical as well as emotional costs
Both anxious and avoidant people are more likely than secure people to have mental health problems, with avoidant people falling between secure and anxious. She links avoidant emotional suppression to unexplained migraines, gut problems, ulcers and chronic pain, and says your ability to connect even predicts how long you live.
EXAMPLES
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Mel and Chris: anxious meets avoidant
Mel realised they had been discussing attachment in weekly couples therapy for two years: she's anxious and her husband is avoidant. She hadn't understood the shame behind his quietness, and says he now recognises he was numbing his emotions with a daily weed and alcohol habit.
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The kitchen-door metaphor for receiving love
At 54, Mel said that only in the previous two months had she noticed she pours out love but stonewalls receiving it. She now pictures swinging kitchen doors to catch herself putting up a wall against small gestures: a stranger's smile, a heart-shaped leaf, her pet greeting her.
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A secure way to raise a one-sided friendship
Franco's script: 'I love you, I want to be close to you, I've noticed I've been the one reaching out and that's been hurting me, and I want our friendship to continue, so I figured I'd bring this up.' It's direct without being confrontational.
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How avoidant people sound versus secure people
Insecure people apply one template to everyone, for example 'all my relationships are fragile' (anxious) or 'nobody can be trusted' (avoidant). Secure people give the benefit of the doubt while keeping boundaries, saying things like 'I had to love that person from afar.'
OTHER RELEVANT
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Become your own secure figure
When a strong emotion hits, tell yourself 'it's okay that you feel this way, I'm right here with you,' and ask what you need. Pause instead of reflexively clinging or pulling away, notice where the feeling sits in your body, and build tolerance for it. Franco has even sung love songs to herself.
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For avoidant people: name body sensations, then feelings
Notice tingling, pressure in your chest or a lump in your throat, then use a feelings wheel to put a word to it, the way you'd learn a language. Try any form of self-expression, like journaling, art, singing or even origami. Therapy focused on attachment helps.
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Communicate space instead of ghosting
If you're avoidant, say 'I'm overwhelmed and need about a week, then we'll talk.' If you love someone avoidant, get some needs met in other relationships, move at their pace, lead with what they do well, ask calmly for one addition, and acknowledge their improvements.
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Spend time with secure people and savour acceptance daily
Look for people who share appropriately, respond to your needs, show empathy and calm your nervous system; over time they rewrite your template. Each day, write down one moment you felt accepted, like a friend's voice note, a comment, or someone bringing cinnamon rolls, and stay with it until you feel it.