What Every Stressed Out Person Needs to Hear | The Mel Robbins Podcast

Guest
Chris Robbins
Read time
~4 min
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1 May 2023
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0:53:00
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    Under stress, people tend to overfunction or underfunction

    Mel draws on psychologist Harriet Lerner, who coined the terms. Overfunctioners jump into first-responder mode: helping, directing and taking over. Underfunctioners slow down, go quiet and gather information, or at worst freeze and wait to be told what to do. Mel overfunctions and her husband Chris underfunctions. Neither is good or bad, and the goal is to notice which one is your default.

  • 02

    Overfunctioning is a superpower with a cost

    Mel says it lets her think 20 to 25 steps ahead. But her internal 'five-alarm fire drill' makes her lose rational thinking, trample other people's ability to handle things, burn herself out and stress everyone around her.

  • 03

    The same event can set off very different alarms

    On a zero-to-ten scale, their son's breakdown was an eight for Mel and a three or four for Chris. That gap is the start of the friction: each feels the other's response doesn't fit the situation.

  • 04

    Resentment builds on both sides

    Lerner's research, as Mel describes it, finds that overfunctioners resent slower partners because they feel they're carrying the alarm alone and read slowness as not caring. Chris adds that being bulldozed leaves him feeling bullied and mistrusted, as if he isn't problem-solving when he is, just quietly. Over time he started assuming Mel would handle everything anyway.

  • 05

    Underfunctioning isn't doing nothing

    Chris says he's always thinking about solutions. He just gathers information before deciding, and under real stress his focus narrows and he goes a bit numb. Mel ends by apologising that his hard thinking and worry never get credit.

  • 06

    Underfunctioners need to learn to step up

    Mel says that if your default is to freeze, feel helpless and second-guess yourself, the work is learning to advocate for yourself and problem-solve while the alarm is going off. Sawyer, she says, learned from her ER day about underfunctioning, pushing people away, and the value of asking for help.

  • 07

    Functioning under stress comes down to three abilities

    Per the research Mel cites, how well you function under stress depends on your ability to make decisions, act on them and handle emotion. An overfunctioner's anxiety pushes them to act before deciding well. An underfunctioner may decide well but act or speak too slowly for the people around them.

  • 08

    Lerner's advice: 'hang in'

    Hanging in means stopping yourself from doing what you normally do. Overfunctioners should hold their tongue and say about 50% less, or as Mel puts it, 75% less. Underfunctioners shouldn't disappear into silence: say out loud that you're processing, because silence can feel like abandonment to an overfunctioning partner.

  • 09

    Ask the overfunctioner, 'What are you scared of right now?'

    Mel says that question would reach the emotion behind the barking orders and help her see when a fear doesn't fit the facts. In this case it was a kid whose car broke down four blocks from school, with adults already helping. Chris says it might also help him meet the fear and not just the logistics.

  • 10

    Give the underfunctioner a short script

    Mel asks Chris to say something like 'I need a sec, I'm processing, I'll handle it,' preferably without swearing at her. Chris suggests Mel can keep talking, just in a more organised, less tornado-like way, so they work as a team.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    A colonoscopy morning goes off the rails

    Chris had been up all night with colonoscopy prep. Mel forgot to set her alarm, skipped her own evening-prep advice and had 25 minutes to get out of the house. Mid-drive, their son Oakley called: his Jeep had died in the road outside his high school. She recorded a voice memo in the pickup outside Dartmouth Hitchcock hospital to show the breakdown as it happened.

  • 02

    Coaching a grown man through a call with AAA

    While Chris called AAA (a US roadside-assistance service), Mel kept interrupting with 'tell them you're going to a colonoscopy.' Then a school administrator, Mary, offered to meet the tow truck, and Mel talked over Chris directing that too. Her daughter was meanwhile sleeping through a virtual appointment. Chris says the barked orders, in one ear while he listened with the other, derailed the conversation.

  • 03

    23 vials of blood

    When their daughter Sawyer was sent to the Mass General ER in Boston after two weeks of odd symptoms, she insisted she was fine. They were three and a half hours away. Mel deferred all day, then drove down at 3 p.m. once she heard they'd drawn 23 vials of blood. Sawyer had been there alone for 11 hours. Mel's lesson: if you feel called to show up, don't ask, just go.

  • 04

    Friends who were standing at the NICU door

    The fear underneath was a memory. When Oakley was six days old he was rushed to Mass General for life-saving surgery, and two close friends who'd had kids in the NICU (a newborn intensive care unit) were waiting when the doors opened. They knew Mel and Chris wouldn't know how to ask for help.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Start with 'Are you safe?'

    Looking back, Chris noted that neither of them asked Oakley if he was safe, which would have been the right first question before AAA, tow trucks or schedules.

  • 02

    Name the partner who's good in a crisis

    Their couples therapist, Dr. Cooper, asked Mel to describe a time Chris was in charge and she felt completely safe. Her answer was camping, hiking and fly fishing. Calling him 'the trip leader' gives her a phrase to hand over control, and reminds him to lead them toward figuring out what's driving the angst.

  • 03

    Try venting out loud

    Mel processes by talking. Saying it all into a voice memo, putting a hand on her heart and telling herself 'it's okay, Mel' helped her settle back into her body before she reflected.

  • 04

    Your stress default shows up with your kids too

    Chris notes their kids call Mel first in an emergency because she's fast and decisive. That's valuable, he says, unless it shuts out everyone else's contribution.