The REAL Formula For Success and Happiness | The Mel Robbins Podcast
- Guest
- Shawn Achor
- Read time
- ~5 min
- Uploaded
- 29 Jun 2023
- Duration
- 1:15:53
- Views
- 63.9K
KEYPOINTS
- 01
Happiness is 'the joy you feel moving towards your potential'
Shawn Achor, Harvard-trained researcher and author of The Happiness Advantage, Big Potential and Before Happiness, rejects the pleasure model of happiness because pleasure is fleeting and only shows up when life is good. Joy, as he defines it, is directional: it's the sense of growth that can coexist with fear and pain, which is why it can shorten the troughs of hard seasons. He deliberately wants happiness and joy to be conflated.
- 02
The brain moves the goalposts every time you succeed
Achor says external circumstances are a poor predictor of happiness: get the degree, then you need a job, then a promotion. He saw it in his own career; finishing a book felt like the summit until worries about readers and the next book set in. Echoing Maslow's hierarchy, he argues it's not where you are on the ladder that makes you happy but whether you feel you're moving up.
- 03
Step one is recognizing that 'I'll be happy when' doesn't work
Asked by a listener how to stop relying on money, a job or a partner, Achor says first acknowledge the brain is built to foil the idea that success guarantees happiness. His example is the pandemic: people expected to be happy when it waned, forgetting they weren't 100% happy before it. He adds a caveat: internal change doesn't negate the need to fight inequality, discrimination and racism; it gives you the power to fight them.
- 04
Multiple realities are true at once, so choose which to focus on
The week before recording, Achor went to the ER with chest pains and missed his first talk in two decades. He was fine. In that room, 'I'm in a hospital and not with my family' was true, and so was 'I'm going home today to two kids and a wife I love.' Because the brain's resources are finite, he chooses the reality that helps him take the next step.
- 05
Happiness is a team sport, not a self-help project
His turning point out of depression wasn't the habits but telling eight close friends and family, some of them Harvard peers and competitors. They called, emailed and visited; one brought cupcakes. That connection made the habits feel worth doing. He's skeptical of endless self-analysis without action, describing a fellow plane passenger reciting years of therapy insights to a stranger.
- 06
Loneliness is about meaning, not headcount
Achor cites a Stanford study finding loneliness had nothing to do with how many people are in your life; it's the absence of meaning in those relationships, including whether you're doing anything meaningful for others. His grandmother put it simply: if you want a friend, be a friend.
- 07
Diversify your 'meaning portfolio'
To a 65-year-old mother, four years past breast cancer treatment, whose happiness rests on her unhappy 26-year-old son, Achor says love necessarily involves pain, but she's telling her story as a side character in his. When all meaning is in one 'stock,' a child or work, happiness becomes fragile. Mel recalls promising herself to put the laptop away on planes when work became her only source of meaning.
- 08
You shouldn't feel happy all the time
Achor says constant happiness would signal being divorced from reality. Healthy people swing between days of connection and days of struggle, a point echoed by his mentor Tal Ben-Shahar's line that you're never as great or as bad as you think. Mel adds that the people we love sometimes need to struggle, as she learned watching her husband's depression: you can hold space but can't do the work for them.
- 09
Happiness is an option, not a choice
Achor used to sign books 'happiness is a choice' but stopped, because in a crisis without practice it can feel like a burden. When Mel suggests 'option,' he adopts it. The choice is harder with chronic illness, racism or a depressed child, but still available, and meaning often comes from other people even when your body feels like a prison.
EXAMPLES
- 01
The Harvard depression figures and Achor's journal
Achor applied to Harvard on a dare while a volunteer firefighter, assuming everyone there would be happy. He says 80% of students went through debilitating depression and 10% had contemplated suicide in the last public data he saw. Later, while counseling first-years, he became depressed himself; his first journal entry read 'I don't remember being happy and I don't think I'll ever be happy again.'
- 02
Hills look 20–30% steeper alone
He cites researchers in Virginia who found that people viewing a hill alone perceive it as 20–30% steeper than people standing next to someone they're told will climb with them, evidence to him that challenges expand or shrink depending on whether we feel alone.
- 03
Synchronized fireflies
Fireflies flashing randomly have about a 3% nightly mating success rate. Two species, in Indonesia and Tennessee's Smoky Mountains, flash in unison; per the MIT research he cites, success jumps to 82% per bug because the combined light attracts more mates. Breadth, depth and meaning of social connection is one of the biggest predictors of long-term happiness.
- 04
The teachers in Flint, Michigan
With funding only for teachers, Achor's team found that in classrooms where teacher happiness rose, students' and parents' well-being scores and student test scores improved too. On a random-kindness day during a blizzard, teachers handed out doughnuts to road crews at 4 a.m., visited hospices and handed out happiness kits at the DMV until a manager kicked them out.
- 05
The two-minute email and day eight
Isolated, introverted participants told to email a new person daily tend to stall on day eight, after their favorites list and 'my mom twice.' That's when they recall forgotten mentors, teachers or a child's first-grade teacher. Achor says 21 days of these notes lifts social connection scores into the top 15% worldwide.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Achor's four habits for 21 days
(1) Write three new things you're grateful for from the past 24 hours, no repeats for 21 days; the scanning matters more than the items. (2) A 15-minute brisk walk four to five times a week, which he says matched an antidepressant over six months with a 30% lower relapse rate over two years. (3) Two minutes watching your breath, which he says raises accuracy 10%, lowers stress and even shifts cortisol in people around you. (4) A two-minute email praising or thanking a different person daily.
- 02
Mel's version and a practical tweak
Mel maps these onto her own advice: look for wins, walk like you're late (she says 10 minutes, outside, nothing in your ears), and reach out to one person daily. She plans to borrow the breathing habit by setting a phone timer to take her hands off the keyboard.
- 03
Don't tiptoe around struggling people
Achor says grief needs a long period of recognition; he'd soften his message for a friend who had just lost a child. Mel pushes back: once someone reaches for a lifeline, simple habits like a thank-you note to someone who helped at the funeral give them guideposts back, alongside empathy and check-ins.
- 04
Leave harmful relationships
Achor stresses that 'meaning comes from other people' doesn't mean staying with someone who harms you; find safe spaces outside that relationship.