Neuroscientist Reveals The Shocking Science & Benefits of Taking a Simple Walk | Mel Robbins Podcast
- Guest
- Dr. Shane O'Mara
- Read time
- ~5 min
- Uploaded
- 31 Jul 2023
- Duration
- 1:05:09
- Views
- 907.3K
KEYPOINTS
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Walking is a deeply social act, not just a way to get from A to B
O'Mara, professor of experimental brain research at Trinity College Dublin and author of In Praise of Walking, says the most surprising thing he found was how social walking is. Humans left Africa on foot 80,000–130,000 years ago in groups that had to watch out for one another. He uses the term "effervescent assembly" for the sense of self and other dissolving when people walk together for a shared cause. He says no other species marches together like this.
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Inactivity is linked to personality and brain changes over time
He describes a US panel study tracking personality against activity. People who became more sedentary, even in midlife, tended to become less sociable, less open to experience and more prone to negative emotion. He stresses this was about inactivity, not simply age.
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Walking challenges the brain more than you notice
Standing up, keeping your balance, orienting yourself, building a mental map, adjusting your pace on a hill and carrying shopping home are all small demands on the brain. Brain rhythms that are quiet while you sit become active. He compares the body to a new bike left in a garage for a year: chain silted, tyres flat, brakes unresponsive. Bodies and brains need repeated challenge.
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We have designed movement out of our environment
Our bodies evolved to conserve energy, yet we now live with a calorie surplus. O'Mara argues that environments should make walking the easy default. He doesn't want to blame individuals, because poor footpaths, bad lighting, fear of crime and buildings built around elevators decide a lot of how much people move.
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Walking reliably boosts mood, even for people who dislike it
He calls the mood boost one of the most certain findings in this field. In lab studies, people who walked 10–15 minutes to rate campus buildings felt better than those who rated photos, including people who say they hate walking. Walking in nature adds a further boost on top of the walk itself.
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Be careful with neurochemical claims
O'Mara warns that most studies that mention dopamine never measured it, because you can't measure it in a living person's brain without invasive procedures. Cortisol can be measured in blood or saliva. What the evidence mostly shows is correlation, not cause. He describes the benefit as several things working together: falling stress hormones, the sense of motion as scenery moves past ("optic flow"), a break from rumination, and time in nature.
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Creativity needs time away from the problem, and walking provides it
Staring at a hard problem is the worst way to solve it. Creative thinking moves between preparation and incubation, and between big picture and detail, like seeing the forest and the trees at once. In studies, people who walked before problem-solving produced substantially more creative ideas than people who sat; Mel mentions roughly double. O'Mara says the science of walking and creativity is still at an early stage, with no definitive recipe.
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Mild physical engagement may bring buried ideas to the surface
He calls the state "mindlessness": unlike mindfulness, you aren't watching your thoughts; you're out of your own head. His idea is that a slightly more active brain "tickles" ideas just below awareness so they rise to the surface. Slumped in a chair, nothing comes. He presents this as his own working idea, not a settled finding.
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Small, frequent bouts of walking beat one big session
Non-industrialised groups move at a low level all day with rest in between, rather than in one burst. Getting up for two minutes every half hour is good advice, and one workout won't cancel out a day of sitting.
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Match your pace to your purpose
For heart health, walk fast enough that talking is hard, which he says beats slow jogging. For thinking, walk more slowly. He demonstrates by asking Mel to subtract 17s from 1,000. The mental load shows how fast walking would leave no capacity for thinking.
EXAMPLES
- 01
Older adults' brains grew with walking
In a Chicago-area study of people in their late 60s and early 70s, participants walked a couple of miles three times a week with a partner and a physiotherapist. Memory-related brain regions increased in volume and memory improved. Sedentary peers declined more than they needed to.
- 02
An Australian study on depression
Tracking people who weren't depressed at the start over seven to eight years, the study found those who moved least were most likely to develop major depression. Risk fell as movement rose, then levelled off.
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Step counts and mortality
The average US adult walks about 4,000 steps a day, while a child learning to walk takes about 1,200 an hour. Japan walks the most, thanks to car-hostile cities. All-cause mortality falls substantially, something like 30–40%, at about 4,500–7,500 steps. O'Mara calls 10,000 "made up" and says one story is that it came from a Japanese marketing campaign in the 1960s, though he isn't sure that's true. Mel was at 2,800 steps; he was at 9,785.
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The Hadza walk 10,000–20,000 steps
These traditional African hunter-gatherers average 10,000–20,000 steps a day depending on sex, and on average don't get diabetes, carry much body fat or have heart problems.
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His dictaphone method and his stairless building
O'Mara wrote much of his first draft by walking with bullet-point notes and a dictaphone, never a phone, so he isn't tempted by alerts. In contrast, his office building puts the elevator right at the entrance but makes you go through four fire doors to reach the stairs. In his medieval Dublin suburb, pandemic outdoor dining widened three-foot footpaths and made walking the default.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Check your step count, then add about 5,000
Most people don't know their baseline. Adding about 5,000 steps, roughly 4.5–5 km, brings most people close to 10,000. Spread it through the day.
- 02
Use different walks for different jobs
Walk briskly for your heart. Walk slowly, without your phone, to think. Either let your mind go completely blank or think loosely about a problem to find unexpected connections.
- 03
Choose green routes over busy roads
Walking beside fast, noisy traffic is stressful, and people stuck in harsh urban environments are more prone to psychiatric disorders. Parks and tree-lined streets offer more benefit.
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Expect quick adaptation and lasting gains
If you've been sedentary, the first days may feel hard, but within days you'll feel better and miss walking when you skip it. He also suggests a walk for a stiff back from sitting before reaching for pills, because movement produces natural anti-inflammatories.