The Hidden Signs Someone's In a Narcissistic Relationship | The Mel Robbins Podcast

Guest
Dr. Ramani Durvasula
Read time
~5 min
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3 Nov 2022
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1:08:48
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    A narcissistic childhood can make chaos feel like love

    Growing up with a narcissistic caregiver normalises the behaviour and teaches you not to voice your needs, which suits a partner who won't meet them anyway. The good-day, bad-day uncertainty of childhood ("Who's coming home today?") gets confused with love. Ramani has seen many survivors meet a kind, generous partner and decide they were "bored." Her advice: if someone doesn't trigger you, they might be a keeper.

  • 02

    Everyone is vulnerable, some more than others

    Narcissistic people come across as charming, charismatic, curious and confident, so nobody is immune. Higher-risk groups include children of narcissistic parents, people with trauma histories, people going through transitions such as a rebound, a new city, a new job or a loss, and people rushing because of a biological clock. Surprisingly, people from very happy families are also vulnerable, because they can't believe this behaviour exists and think love will fix red flags. "There ain't no loving anyone through a red flag."

  • 03

    Red flags often show up late, are faint, or get explained away

    The charm can last six weeks, three months or longer. Watch for snappiness at mild feedback, entitlement and how they treat waiters, contempt for others, and attempts to cut you off from the friend who sees through them. One woman on Ramani's own podcast saw no red flags for six years of marriage. More often the flags were there but people didn't recognise them, justified them or blamed themselves, so she tells people to stop calling themselves idiots.

  • 04

    The trauma bond runs on justification

    As children, people excuse a parent's behaviour ("Dad had a bad day at work, I have to be good") and take on the blame. As adults, they excuse partners: tough childhood, stressful job, they only want what's best. Those justifications keep the toxic dynamic going. Because a trauma bond is felt in the body, people often feel physically sick at the thought of leaving. "There's no talking your way out of a trauma bond."

  • 05

    Love bombing isn't always Paris and roses

    Beyond grand gestures, it can look like whatever counts as lavish on the person's budget, constant good-morning and goodnight texts, requests for photos of where you are, deep oversharing early on, a "first date that lasted two weeks," or moving in after a month. What defines it is intensity and speed, which she calls an "intense indoctrination" that keeps you too dazzled to notice red flags.

  • 06

    Gaslighting means denying reality, then making you feel impaired

    A lie alone isn't gaslighting. Her example: they moved the checkbook, deny it, then say your memory has been slipping, you've been stressed, and maybe you should talk to someone. The silent treatment, denial and "can't you take a joke?" have a similar effect. Narcissistic rage, the table-flip moment, comes from thin-skinned sensitivity and is usually followed by downplaying or a pseudo-apology.

  • 07

    Narcissists can make small changes, but they won't transform

    From clinical work, she says motivated clients can gain a little accountability: catching their rage, rolling their eyes less, huffing at the airport line instead of screaming at the gate agent. "They can sprint through some stuff, but they're never going to be marathoners." Narcissism develops in childhood, isn't fully conscious, and still isn't excused: multiple things can be true at once.

  • 08

    It's not your fault, and guilt is a learned response

    Her central message: you are not responsible for someone else's reactions, and they could choose to say, "I need a minute." Survivors were taught that disappointing someone is wrong, which is where reflexive apologising and self-gaslighting ("Don't listen to me") come from. About 50% of people in narcissistic marriages stay, and she doesn't pressure them to leave. Some wait until their youngest turns 18.

  • 09

    Narcissistic bosses rarely change, and most people eventually leave

    Document everything, avoid one-on-one meetings, and save emails, voicemails and texts, because workplace bullying generally isn't illegal. Mel recalls partners screaming in hallways at her Boston law firm and being tolerated because they brought in money, which Ramani calls the "golden goose phenomenon." She links this kind of workplace stress to physical health problems and sleepless rumination, and warns about the moral injury of staying part of the machine.

  • 10

    Healing is grief, not a straight line

    Survivors mourn lost childhoods, dreams and years. She won't promise you'll never think about it again. Instead, she compares it to an old injury that still twinges when you step wrong, and warns that overly sunny timelines can make people ashamed that they aren't healing "right." Even so, many survivors go on to do remarkable things.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    Ramani walks away from charisma

    After years of charming, grandiose people in media and academia breaking promises, sometimes to her real financial harm, she reacts to charisma like Pavlov's dog: she excuses herself "to the restroom" at parties. She admits it can make her seem closed off, and credits her team for calling out nonsense. Mel describes her own recent betrayals in business and life and her pattern of fawning over charismatic, rebellious people, which Ramani identifies as a trauma response.

  • 02

    A client who chose to stop hurting people

    After empathy and mentalisation work, one client realised he would never want to listen to others' feelings for hours. He divorced his wife, ended things with his mistress, and now lives alone. Ramani saw his decision as a kind of empathy, because it freed his wife, who now has her own work to do.

  • 03

    75 texts in one night

    A young woman in Mel's family had an ex flood her phone and Snapchat with about 75 messages in an evening. Ramani called it abuse: don't respond, save everything. Mel's husband Chris replied that they would involve law enforcement, and it stopped, though Ramani notes that police thresholds are frustratingly high.

  • 04

    Survivors' acts of reclamation

    One woman graduated from college at 75 after 50 years of being called a fool. Another baked her ex's favourite cake and gave it to homeless people in her neighbourhood. Others threw a party on the ex's birthday or retrained as therapists and coaches.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Helping a friend: find the back door

    Don't criticise the partner, because that makes your friend defend them. Ask open-ended questions such as "How are you feeling about it?" and reflect what they value: "You love having your own place. How do you feel about moving in?"

  • 02

    Grey rock, yellow rock, and don't go DEEP

    Grey rock means flat, minimal answers to avoid the bait; expect them to escalate at first. Yellow rock, developed by Tina Swithin for high-conflict co-parenting, adds warmth and neutral small talk such as weather or road closures, which is less unsettling for kids. When they bait you, don't Defend, Explain, Engage or Personalise. Example: "I RSVP'd a month ago. I'm leaving at 7." No apology.

  • 03

    Say the multiple truths out loud

    To break the cognitive dissonance, name it: "I'm married to a deeply insecure person who rages. We have kids. I don't want to divorce. I'll work on me." Expect to feel sad. That sadness is clarity.

  • 04

    Practise tiny acts of rebellion and keep your dreams private

    Use the 18 minutes before they get home to exercise, take one step a day toward a goal, or finish an online degree. Never share your aspirations with a narcissistic person, because they'll mock or sabotage them. Small wins rebuild your sense of what you can do.