A Masterclass on Dealing with Change: A 3-Step Process | The Mel Robbins Podcast
- Guest
- Dr. Luana Marques
- Read time
- ~5 min
- Uploaded
- 20 Jul 2023
- Duration
- 0:59:49
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- 57.7K
KEYPOINTS
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Transitions hurt because you're clinging to the shore while the boat leaves
Harvard clinical psychologist Dr. Luana Marques, author of Bold Move, pictures a transition as a journey toward a new life: you hold on to the familiar shore with one hand and the departing boat with the other, and get stretched thin. That stretch is the panic and uncertainty people feel. Holding on is a form of avoidance; her advice is to let go and start swimming, because there's no ticket to a perfect life.
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In a transition, your values get questioned
Marques defines values as intrinsic motivators — family, faith, wealth, integrity — that should act as your compass, though most of us notice them about as often as house paint. Values drive goals. When an old value no longer fits, pushing harder on it brings misery, and you end up living an emotion-driven life focused on avoiding discomfort rather than a values-driven one.
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Lean toward the pain to find your values
Pain exists, Marques says, because a value that matters is being violated. A stranger's insult stings little; a loved one's hurts because you care. After her health scare she spent early mornings crying and asking why it hurt so much, and found the answer was impact: she wanted to help far more people than research papers reach, citing CDC data she described as roughly 40% of Americans reporting clinical-level anxiety and depression.
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Or notice when you feel your best
The second route to values is studying moments of contentment and flow and asking why they matter. Marques could see Mel light up describing her family under one roof during the pandemic. Her own values include connection and family; her family eats dinner together daily and joined her on a work trip so she wouldn't be away from her son for five days.
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Many people are still forcing pre-pandemic values onto a changed life
Marques sees a global value shift since COVID, with people wanting flexibility because family time was being compromised. Most haven't had the chance to pause and reflect, so they keep doing what used to work, get worse results, and blame their anxiety. In her practice, anxiety is now so high that patients' brains feel "locked" in fight-flight-freeze and can't take in new ideas as easily.
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There's no transition without discomfort
Marques tells Mel her daughter will feel discomfort after graduating, and Mel will too; if they didn't, something would be wrong. Discomfort doesn't mean something bad is happening. The first thing a parent can do is let it exist instead of rushing to fix it, and calmly name it if it gets aimed at you: "It looks like you're upset and throwing it at me, and this isn't my transition."
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Rescuing people from hard feelings robs them
Mel realizes that rushing in with scripts and phone calls to fix her kids' problems took away what they gain from facing discomfort, which is why some lessons kept repeating. Marques adds that avoiding pain only prolongs it. Parenting is imperfect, she notes, joking about a friend's "therapy jar."
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Feeling your feelings shortens them
When her five-year-old has a tantrum, telling him to stop escalates it. Sitting beside him and naming the frustration lets his thinking brain come back online, and it lasts three minutes instead of 20. Marques points out Mel did it live: when asked about her own feelings, she switched to talking about her daughter, a classic avoidance tactic.
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Kids can't regulate themselves yet; adults must
Marques says the brain isn't fully developed until about 30, so kids lack brakes and adults have to model pausing. She hears from teachers so anxious they run out of classrooms and sees parents stepping into normal playground bickering. Her view: everyone who touches a child, from janitors to bus drivers, can teach a little regulation.
EXAMPLES
- 01
Marques's "stroke" at her desk
Ambition got Marques out of poverty in Brazil and up to associate professor at Harvard, but when a colleague asked if full professor was next, she felt hollow, couldn't sleep and gained 40 pounds. While writing a grant, half her face then body went numb. Fearing a stroke, she went to her doctor in tears; it turned out to be a severe migraine, her first ever, and the moment she stopped avoiding change.
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Mel's sadness was about her own graduation
Asked to stay with her feelings, Mel said she felt sad for her daughter — then recalled spending her own college graduation sick under a tree, possibly with meningitis. Marques pointed out her daughter would be singing the national anthem for 18,000 people. Mel was grieving her own lost graduation.
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"It's okay not to be okay"
A best friend Marques calls Mary was fired after 10 years in finance and kept saying she was fine, though she was the main earner. Marques told her it's okay not to be okay; if she weren't uncomfortable, something would be wrong.
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Mel's Post-it note from her worst week
Kicking and screaming about moving to a Vermont town of 3,000 with no Target and an airport 90 minutes away, Mel wrote her "why" on a giant sticky note while sobbing: peace and connection, more time with her son and husband, a simple business that runs like a clock, global impact through higher-leverage use of her time, seeing friends daily. Two years later she says she lives it, and her fear-busting rule on the back read: approach, don't run.
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A boss who held space
When Marques sobbed to her psychiatry chair that she wanted to quit, he asked whether there were parts she still liked, then suggested reducing her time to a day or two a week. He didn't solve it; he let her sit with it.
OTHER RELEVANT
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Use the three steps: shift, approach, align
Shift: talk to yourself like a best friend and notice fear's distortions. Approach: move toward the discomfort instead of running. Align: let what the pain reveals become values, then turn them into concrete actions.
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Do a Sunday values check
Marques reviews the coming week each Sunday; if a day doesn't serve impact, family or health, she rearranges it. She says values-driven living is linked to lower stress, depression and anxiety and higher well-being.
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Write your own North Star note
Mel suggests capturing your values and promises on a sticky note while the transition is fresh, even mid-tears.