Mindset Flip: Getting Real About Your Relationship With Alcohol | The Mel Robbins Podcast
- Guest
- Rachel Hart
- Read time
- ~5 min
- Uploaded
- 17 Jul 2023
- Duration
- 1:28:08
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- 342.4K
KEYPOINTS
- 01
Feeling conflicted about drinking is normal, not proof that something is wrong with you
Mel opens with a confession: she isn't ready to quit, but she argues with herself every time she has a gin and tonic, partly because her husband Chris rarely drinks. Coach Rachel Hart says most of her clients start in that in-between place. A huge industry sells alcohol as fun and adult while the science calls it a poison, and two parts of your brain care about different things.
- 02
Your brain learned what alcohol stands for
Hart says we don't just acquire a taste. We learn that drinking is how we relax, connect, open up, watch the game, celebrate or holiday. For her, drinking in her 20s meant relief from perfectionism and anxiety and a way to feel sexy, confident and a little wild. Change starts with asking what alcohol has become a symbol for.
- 03
A drink can act as a boundary between work and rest
Mel describes the drink after a busy day as a lever that shifts her out of work mode. Hart reframes it as a boundary, the signal that you're off the clock. Remove the drink without replacing that boundary and your brain thinks you're still working. Hart's own old line was "I deserve it," and the useful question is what the "it" really is: permission to stop thinking, reward, pleasure, celebration.
- 04
Urges carry information
Rather than treating urges as enemies to defeat, Hart treats them as inner intelligence about a deeper desire, such as more belonging, pleasure, permission or a boundary. 'Just say no' messaging puts you at war with the urge, which gives it power. Control, in her definition, means influencing what happens next, not making urges disappear, which is impossible without getting rid of the lower brain.
- 05
Name the urge as it happens
Hart's first tool is narrating it: "Of course I'm having an urge, it's 5 o'clock, my brain learned we get a reward now." Naming it engages the higher brain and takes you off autopilot. She recalls fixing a cocktail and lighting a cigarette while watching Mad Men without noticing why. Sunsets were enjoyable before you drank; only the association makes something feel missing.
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Fear-based facts about alcohol often backfire
Hart cautions against obsessing over how toxic alcohol is. Some people find it effective, she says, but for many it just adds shame: now you drank the fourth glass and you 'should know better.' Getting curious about what you want and how it feels to be the odd one out is, in her experience, more powerful.
- 07
The worst outcome of not drinking is usually a feeling
Asked to imagine never drinking again, Mel said she'd never have fun, never enjoy March Madness, weddings, dancing or even sex. Hart says those scenarios really come down to an uncomfortable feeling: being sober on the dance floor, or beerless at baseball. Her other mindset prompts include what you make it mean that saying no is hard, and stories like 'I'm all-or-nothing' or 'my brain lacks an off switch.'
- 08
Disappointment is coming either way, so choose which one
You can feel disappointed now because you skipped the drink, or later because you broke your commitment. Mel recalls that on dry-month challenges, urges peaked around 5 to 7 p.m. and passed once she rode the wave, because the desire was for a boundary or a 'liquid hug,' not the drink.
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Manage the lower brain like a toddler
The lower brain wants pleasure, avoids pain and saves energy right now; the prefrontal higher brain can plan and weigh trade-offs. Lecturing a tantrum doesn't work and giving in teaches it that tantrums pay. Instead, say: I know this is hard, you're not in trouble, and I'll stay with you until it passes.
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Change requires a different relationship with commitment
Hart thinks people are all-or-nothing about commitment more than about drinking: you either earn a gold star or break the promise and binge or set even harsher rules, the same pattern as dieting. She also suggests saying "I'm choosing not to" instead of "I can't," since you obviously can, and 'can't' triggers rebellion.
EXAMPLES
- 01
A rum and Coke at Lake Michigan, age 14
Mel traces her belonging trigger to arriving at a state-park beach as the only freshman among her boyfriend's senior friends. When a girl handed her a rum and Coke in a red Solo cup, she exhaled. Decades later, a friend poured two glasses of Sancerre for a garden walk, and Mel joined in despite planning not to drink, then berated herself on the drive home.
- 02
Hart's grumpy four-year-old photo
Hart keeps a picture of herself at four on her phone, on mirrors and over her office. Asking what that child needs is easier than asking her 42-year-old self, who 'shouldn't need anything.' Mel's answer was a hug, and she realised the Solo cup had been one.
- 03
Undiagnosed ADHD and dopamine
Mel connects her love of the first sip to living 47 years with undiagnosed ADHD, which she links to seeking dopamine hits. She also says she had a drinking problem in her 20s, 30s and early 40s, tied to anxiety, financial trouble and sadness.
- 04
The night a friend died
During a past break, Mel heard a friend had died and poured a cocktail. Reviewing it Hart's way showed grief, anger and a belief that the emotion was too big to feel. That's useful data about missing skills, not a moral failure.
- 05
Hart's 30-day break is about testing tools
Unlike Dry January, the goal isn't a perfect streak but trying every technique for urges and excuses. A drink on day two is data to examine. One client's compelling reason was wanting to be 'captain of my own soul,' and Hart has people list reasons across health, relationships, career, faith, money and time.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Look for substitutions
Mel suspects that on nights she skips a drink she buys something or eats a big dessert. Hart says her 'eight problems' were really one: identifying needs and tolerating an unmet desire.
- 02
Replace 'fine' with a real feeling
Hart, self-described as not touchy-feely, had to learn that 'fine' isn't a feeling. Name it, such as disappointed, and treat it as human.
- 03
This isn't only about alcohol
Both say the same skills apply to food, spending, scrolling, procrastinating and video games. For many people sobriety is the right choice, and Mel acknowledges that.