#22 – Tom Dayspring Part III of V: reverse cholesterol transport, CETP inhibitors, & apolipoproteins
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- Thomas Dayspring
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KEYPOINTS
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Most cholesterol is made by peripheral cells, and it has to get out
Dayspring says the liver makes only about 20% of the body's cholesterol. The rest is made by cells throughout the body. A cell that accumulates too much must export it or die. Cells push free cholesterol out through transporters such as ABCA1 to apoA-I, the HDL protein. Lipid-poor 'baby' HDL particles are especially good at picking it up. Attia says that of all seven hours with Dayspring, he learned the most from the HDL and CETP discussions.
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Reverse cholesterol transport has more than one route
HDL can deliver cholesterol directly to the liver, small intestine, adrenal glands, ovaries or testes. It can also hand cholesterol to apoB particles via CETP (cholesteryl ester transfer protein), and the liver then clears those through LDL receptors. Red blood cells and albumin (one albumin molecule can carry up to 17 cholesterol molecules) also move cholesterol. Even excretion is leaky: the gut reabsorbs about 90–95% of bile salts.
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Remnants are cleared by apoE; LDL lingers
As VLDL and chylomicrons lose their core triglycerides, they become remnants. Dayspring compares it to being 'a remnant of my former self' after losing an arm. Remnants carry apoE, which binds both LDL receptors and LDL-receptor-related proteins, so they are cleared quickly. LDL relies on apoB-100 alone, so it can 'hang around forever' until an LDL receptor clears it. Some people carry more apoE on their LDLs.
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ApoC-III makes particles more atherogenic
An LDL particle that carries apoC-III is 'intensely more atherogenic' than one with apoB-100 alone, because apoC-III impairs clearance. Drugs targeting apoC-III were in development at a San Diego company. Dayspring considers triglycerides above about 130 mg/dL a sign of a problem.
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In insulin resistance, most of the added apoB comes from LDL
When triglycerides rise, VLDL particle numbers can double or triple, for example from 30 to 90 nmol/L. Because LDL starts from a much higher base (about 1,000 rising to 3,000 in the example given), the extra 300–400 nmol/L of LDL dominates the risk. A big relative change in VLDL can be a small share of the total apoB.
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VLDL-C is a crude marker
Dayspring once estimated VLDL remnants with VLDL cholesterol. He now calls it 'a very crude estimation that's almost useless', which he says annoys his lipid colleagues. He still tells patients to aim for VLDL-C under 15 mg/dL when nothing better is available.
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'Good cholesterol' is a misnomer
HDL can transfer its cholesteryl ester to an LDL particle (about 95% of apoB particles are LDL). That LDL can end up in a macrophage in the artery wall. HDL particles also swap lipids with each other. Dayspring tells doctors that calling HDL-C 'good cholesterol' is 'mis-educating patients'.
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Low HDL-C is mostly a proxy for high apoB
In the Framingham-era data, low HDL-C and high triglycerides travel with very high apoB in almost everyone not on drugs or a strict diet. Dayspring says that if those studies had adjusted for apoB or LDL particle number, which they couldn't, low HDL-C would likely disappear as an independent risk factor. Insulin-resistant patients' disease is ultimately apoB-driven.
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HDL-C doesn't tell you whether HDL is working
Low HDL-C could mean poor pickup of cholesterol or fast delivery of it. High HDL-C could mean good pickup or a failure to drop cholesterol off. HDL particles carry about 200 identified proteins, and their protein and phospholipid signatures likely matter more than their cholesterol content. Functional HDL assays are still largely research tools.
EXAMPLES
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ApoA-I Milano
People in a small northern Italian village had HDL-C of only 5–10 mg/dL yet lived long lives, which contradicts Framingham's 'low HDL, you're out of here'. Their variant apoA-I was highly functional at moving cholesterol. Infusions based on it showed better-looking arteries on imaging, but Dayspring warns there are '217 ways to be fooled by an angiogram'.
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Torcetrapib's sudden end
Attia was at a 2006 meeting in San Francisco, sure the CETP inhibitor would succeed and send Pfizer stock soaring. At 11:30 that night he saw that Pfizer had terminated torcetrapib. Later CETP inhibitors raised HDL-C anywhere from 20–30% to 80–100%, without the expected benefit.
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Mendelian randomisation
Around 2010–2011, genetic studies showed that variants raising HDL-C don't protect against heart disease. That confirmed what the failed CETP trials suggested, but the drugs had been developed long before that data existed.
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A CETP inhibitor that worked, but won't be sold
One trial was stopped for futility. Merck continued its own large trial and showed a benefit. But Merck decided not to market the drug because it stays in the body for years. It still isn't clear why one CETP inhibitor works and another doesn't.
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Very high HDL-C as a warning
Dayspring had shared a case with unusually high HDL-C. Dayspring notes that oversized HDL particles may fail to bind the proteins they should carry. Treatment in such cases still comes down to lowering apoB.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Focus on apoB, not HDL-C
For risk assessment and treatment, apoB or LDL particle number is the target. HDL-C should not reassure or alarm you on its own.
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Use triglycerides as a metabolic clue
Triglycerides above about 130 mg/dL, especially with low HDL-C, suggest insulin resistance and rising apoB, a prompt to address diet and metabolism.
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Be cautious about 'HDL-raising' claims
Raising HDL-C with drugs hasn't reliably reduced events. Judge any therapy by hard outcomes, not by HDL numbers or angiogram images. The conversation keeps the claim tied to named mechanisms, numbers, and caveats so a listener can act or ask better questions without flattening the nuance.
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Don't drop a good drug over a few bad signals
Using Vioxx's withdrawal as the example, they argue that restricting a drug for everyone because of risk in a small subgroup deprives many patients. Better to identify who is at risk.