#37 – Zubin Damania, M.D.: Revolutionizing healthcare one hilariously inspiring video at a time

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Zubin Damania
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~6 min
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7 Jan 2020
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2:51:24
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918
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    Burnout is better described as moral injury

    Damania, a Stanford-trained internist known online as ZDoggMD, says that by his third year of residency his humour had turned from a coping mechanism into a wall. He used 'gomer' ('get out of my ER', from the novel The House of God) in every possible form for patients. Underneath was a feeling that he was a bad person doing work that often harmed people or was 'half-baked'. His program director told him he was a bad influence on the interns, which pushed him to become a committed teacher instead.

  • 02

    Money couldn't replace the doctor–patient relationship

    After residency Damania told his program director he would not do a fellowship or practise, and spent a year at Silicon Valley startups. He says he wanted to get rich, but learned that without deep relationships with patients, money 'was never gonna cut it'. He returned as a Stanford hospitalist with a side career in comedy and music. Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh saw that work and recruited him to Las Vegas.

  • 03

    Attia's wife framed his choice: fix the 12 problems or leave

    In summer 2005, about a year into their marriage and with two years left in surgical residency, Attia gave his wife 12 reasons he was miserable. After a few days she told him there were only two ways he'd get better: fix all 12 or leave. He loved operating but couldn't stand the system. He had just spent two years in a lab at the NIH, and considered a PhD, another specialty or quitting medicine before leaving.

  • 04

    Hierarchy works only when you respect the person above you

    Attia says he loved hierarchy in residency when the people above him were exceptional, and struggled when he didn't think a superior was good enough. Damania observes that some personalities can't sit in the middle of a hierarchy. They either dominate the people below them or treat them as equals before they're ready, when those juniors actually need training and support.

  • 05

    'My diet's better than SAD' is the real result of most diet wars

    Attia's framework starts from the standard American diet (SAD), engineered for palatability, shelf life, cost and profit rather than deliberately to harm. Keto, paleo, Mediterranean, vegan and vegetarian diets are all one approach, dietary restriction, which removes something from SAD while still eating freely. Caloric restriction and time-restricted feeding are separate levers. Since every camp compares itself with SAD, 'paleo or vegan?' is often the wrong question; stay on whichever keeps you off SAD.

  • 06

    Attia's goal: live longer and better on three fronts

    His stated objective is to delay the onset of whatever would otherwise kill him and to improve quality of life, which he defines with three legs. The first is cognition. The second is the body's 'exoskeleton': muscle mass, mobility and especially stability, which he thinks gets no attention, plus freedom from pain and sexual function. Can you still drop into a goblet squat to pick up a 30-pound grandchild? The third, which he calls the hardest for a doctor to influence, is happiness or distress tolerance, a term he borrows from Paul Conti. For that he sees meditation as the key tool, along with social support and purpose.

  • 07

    Fasting is a drug whose right dose nobody knows

    Metformin activates the nutrient sensor AMPK and rapamycin inhibits mTOR, the central amino-acid sensor; both partly mimic caloric restriction. Treating fasting like a drug raises open questions of calorie amount, composition, duration and frequency, plus what you eat in between, which Attia calls an unsolvable search. His professional obsession is funding ways to measure the effects, especially autophagy. That would let him tell patients, for example, that a gentler plan gets 50% of the benefit.

  • 08

    Attia uses metformin in patients but not rapamycin, yet

    Attia says rapamycin, a transplant-rejection drug, is safer than its reputation. At the right dose and frequency, which is nothing like transplant dosing, he would worry less about it than ciprofloxacin. He calls his own fasting routine improvised and says his measurement tools are too blunt to draw firm conclusions.

  • 09

    Healthcare costs explode when the decision-makers don't pay

    Attia says it took his McKinsey skills to map US healthcare's money flows: the people driving costs don't bear them. He compares it to a Saudi friend who left his air conditioning on all summer because energy cost him about $2 a month, and to buying a Lexus while paying only 9% of the price. He adds that cost, access and quality move together, so Canada, for example, has optimised for cost.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    Turntable Health's membership model

    In Las Vegas, Damania's clinic charged a flat membership for unlimited, team-based primary care, with health coaches and a teaching kitchen. Coaches taught people to cook on a budget in a food desert. Patients said they felt accountable to coaches who cared about them. He pairs this with personal health accounts of up to about $2,500, subsidised for poorer people and spent within healthcare.

  • 02

    Attia's dream nutrition experiment

    In a crossover trial, one group would get cooking lessons, money and stores with prices and shelf placement reversed: Cocoa Puffs at $12.99 and hard to find, eggs, avocados and steel-cut oats cheap and up front. After a year the groups would switch. He estimated tens of millions of dollars, about a twentieth of the cost of developing a new drug, and doubts it will ever happen because medicine rarely funds prevention.

  • 03

    Losing a patient over vaccines

    A father who expected Attia to back his plan not to vaccinate his children left the practice when Attia said absolutely vaccinate. Attia notes that his only deviation for his own kids was an intuitive six-month delay before the first round. Damania now asks hesitant parents what really bothers them, such as forced injections, 'toxins' or distrust of pharma, rather than leading with data.

  • 04

    A guided psychedelic experience broke Damania's 'impostor' story

    After moving to Las Vegas in 2012, Damania, who had tried LSD, psilocybin and MDMA in college, took part in a guided session. He felt himself to be a 'lying fraud' until his sense of self dissolved into 'the awareness in which all this arises'. The change was still there the next morning and lasted for weeks.

  • 05

    The Mind Illuminated as a manual for type A meditators

    Both men read Culadasa's book; Attia says he read it on Sam Harris's recommendation. Damania likes its model of 'sub-minds' projecting onto a conscious screen, with a narrating sub-mind telling a story moment by moment. If the self is a series of slices, the next one can be different.

  • 06

    A death caused by a chain of medical errors

    Damania recalls telling a marathon-running son that his father had died from a C. diff complication caused 'one error after another' in hospital. He blames fee-for-service incentives that pay hospitals for doing more, not for safety.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Pick the eating pattern you can sustain

    Damania moved from keto to Mediterranean with intermittent fasting to one meal a day, which he enjoys with his family, and he eats freely on weekends.

  • 02

    Parents control young children's calories

    Damania argues that, absent a medical cause, young kids' obesity is the parents' responsibility. He singles out soda and large glasses of orange juice, while acknowledging food deserts and cost.

  • 03

    Vet doctors by how they think

    Attia's planned doctor database asks clinicians to explain in detail how they keep learning and how they practise, so it isn't a quick listing.