#60 – Annie Duke: How to improve decision making, learning, & apply ‘backcasting’ for future success
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- Annie Duke
- Read time
- ~4 min
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- 12 Jan 2020
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- 2:35:34
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KEYPOINTS
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Poker models real decisions better than chess
In chess both players see the whole board, so in principle a loss traces back to a mistake. Poker adds hidden information and luck, which is why Attia, who has often had to explain this to his wife, thinks it matches medicine, where you almost never have complete facts. Duke, author of Thinking in Bets, agrees that the gap between what you know and what's true is the essence of most life decisions.
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'Resulting' means judging a decision by its outcome
Duke's term describes working backwards from the quality of the outcome to the quality of the decision. Judging a decision properly requires knowing the possible outcomes, how likely each was and how much you'd prefer each, compared across the alternatives you didn't choose. Most people take the shortcut instead.
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Learning has to cover all four quadrants
Picture a two-by-two of good or bad decisions against good or bad outcomes. Attia argued the most painful square is a good decision with a bad outcome. Duke pushed back that people naturally dig into bad outcomes; what nobody examines is good outcomes. 'We're never having the my-life-is-great conference' to ask whether a win came from skill or luck.
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Fear of the 'idiot quadrant' pushes people to the status quo
A consensus decision that turns out badly earns 'tough luck'. A non-consensus decision that turns out badly earns 'idiot'. As a result, people default to doing nothing over doing something, demand more certainty than needed, seek sign-off and avoid innovating. Duke argues that leaders who only review failures, as in medicine's weekly morbidity and mortality conference, reinforce this cover-yourself behaviour.
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Bill Belichick earned the right to be unconventional
Attia, an admitted Belichick obsessive, and Duke discuss how the Patriots coach increasingly made calls like going for it on fourth-and-5. Duke notes that came only after two Super Bowl wins, once fans would tolerate decisions they didn't understand. Credibility buys room to leave the status quo.
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Look for luck in your wins too
Nothing happening after Y2K could mean the preparation worked, the threat was never real, or the effort was wasted. There's also a fourth possibility: the downside was severe enough that hedging was correct either way. Attia raised D-Day: was Eisenhower simply lucky with the weather? Without examining the 'win', you can't tell.
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Four levels of skill, and a fourth level of thinking
Duke learned to swim at 31, swam twice a day and filled journals with free-body diagrams. She describes moving from unconsciously incompetent to consciously incompetent (knowing why you fail, through ideas like Archimedes' principle and Bernoulli), then consciously competent, then unconsciously competent. The matching thinking skill at the top is refusing to accept a well-played win without asking whether there was a better line. Attia admitted he had 'never once had a level-four thought'.
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Wide skill gaps hide mistakes
When you're far better than your competition, sloppy thinking still wins, which Duke calls a soft landing. Swimming is similar: you can swim badly for years, while a bike punishes imbalance immediately. Where feedback is gentle and delayed, deliberate self-examination matters even more.
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Quit fast, and try many things that cost little
Duke argues we over-praise sticking with things and ignore opportunity cost. Her approach is to try lots of things with little downside ('go try out piano'), drop the ones that are negative expected value for happiness, health or money, and commit only to what you love. Poker players are naturally comfortable folding.
EXAMPLES
- 01
Pete Carroll's Super Bowl pass
Down four to the Patriots at the end of the 2015 Super Bowl, Seattle passed instead of handing off to Marshawn Lynch. Malcolm Butler intercepted and the play was called the worst in history. Duke and analyses such as FiveThirtyEight's argue it was a sound call with a bad outcome. Attia, a Patriots fan, recalls screaming at his TV, but agrees that Carroll was thinking only about winning, not about defending the call at a press conference.
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Attia loses about one arrow a day
Shooting at softball-sized targets from 60–70 yards, Attia can list a hundred reasons for every miss but has never examined a perfect shot. Duke said that's typical: roughly 90% of his reflection goes to the 10% of shots that went wrong.
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Erik Seidel's post-game talk
Duke says the biggest difference between fast and slow improvers is how they explore what might have happened. Listening to Seidel review a tournament, you couldn't tell whether he won, because he explores every alternative line and bet size. Players who improve slowly dwell on someone 'sucking out' on them.
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How Duke got to poker
Her brother deferred Columbia to study chess with a grandmaster in New York, started playing poker and lost his college savings before eventually doing well. Duke, on a National Science Foundation fellowship in cognitive science at Penn, later followed him into the game. She says she'd be crushed by today's analytics-driven professionals.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Hold a 'what went right' review
After a good result, ask whether it came from your decision or from luck, and whether a better option existed. Give it the same scrutiny as a failure, and reward people for good process on bold calls, not just outcomes.
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Backcast your physical future
Duke said she didn't coin 'backcasting'. Attia applies it to exercise: most people exercise for looks, mood or eating freedom, but the better reason comes from imagining how you want your body to work the day before you die, his 'Centenarian Olympics'. Train backward from that.
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Run a pre-mortem
Before committing, imagine the plan has failed and list the reasons. Pairing that with backcasting makes the hidden assumptions behind a forecast visible.
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Read The Success Equation
Duke strongly recommends Michael Mauboussin's book on separating luck from skill across sports, investing and life as a companion to the four-quadrant thinking discussed here.