346 - Scaling biotech and improving global health: lessons from an extraordinary career in medicine
- Guest
- Susan Desmond-Hellmann
- Read time
- ~4 min
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- 28 Apr 2025
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- 2:28:18
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- 23.8K
KEYPOINTS
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Her career was shaped by the early AIDS epidemic.
Desmond-Hellmann, who went to Catholic school for 12 years in Reno, trained in San Francisco in 1982, a year after the first MMWR report, when the disease was a frightening mystery—she and colleagues even had blood drawn to check whether they'd been infected treating patients. Some patients sold their life insurance expecting to die soon, then regretted it once antiretroviral therapy arrived.
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Frontline work in Uganda showed the scale of the crisis.
With her husband, she worked on HIV in Uganda while still UCSF faculty. A 16-year-old girl attending an STD clinic had about a 50% chance of being HIV positive; Peter suggests sky-high viral loads drove heterosexual transmission rates far beyond what treated HIV produces today. She estimates a country of 16 million may have lost around a million people.
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Oncology in the mid-1980s offered little: durable remissions for perhaps 10%.
She describes patients with six months to live and few options, which drew her toward new mechanisms. At Bristol-Myers Squibb she taught herself SAS programming and, as the safety lead, helped make Taxol—a microtubule inhibitor with a new mechanism for drug-resistant cancers—safe to give, including managing reactions to its dissolving fluid.
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Genentech pioneered recombinant biologics and large simple trials.
In the late 1970s Genentech proved to the FDA its fermented human growth hormone was pure. It 'bet the farm' on TPA for heart attacks, proving benefit in 30-day outcomes and building large simple trials and postmarketing registries. When she arrived in 1995 the company was struggling, and oncology was its future.
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Herceptin made targeted oncology real, but only for some patients.
Herceptin targeted HER2-positive breast cancer; about three of four breast cancer patients weren't eligible, which motivated the search for more drugs.
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Rituxan rescued an antibody skeptics didn't believe in.
IDEC, which made an anti-CD20 antibody for lymphoma, was going to run out of money around 1995–96 when Genentech partnered. CD20 is on B cells; marrow reserves of immature cells replace depleted ones, so patients can be treated repeatedly. Surprisingly, lymphoma patients didn't develop antibodies against it.
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Avastin emerged from Judah Folkman's angiogenesis idea.
Napoleone Ferrara built an anti-VEGF antibody on the same backbone as Herceptin, about 93–94% human. A tough phase 2 in heavily pretreated metastatic breast cancer demanded at least 50% tumor shrinkage; colon cancer then became the phase 3 survival study.
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Drug development stages explained.
Phase 1 is dose escalation with an art to choosing the starting dose—'because we are greedy in oncology, we always look to see if anybody responds.' Phase 2 can cost in the tens of millions; phase 3 confirms benefit. Even then, 500 patients is very limited for safety—5–10% may have side effects that stop them taking the drug.
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Avastin's price tested the value debate.
At about $100,000 per course and roughly eight months' median survival gain, it failed the UK NHS's cost-per-QALY threshold. She acknowledges patient assistance programs didn't solve overall cost.
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Leading UCSF and the Gates Foundation required financial and cultural skill.
She became UCSF chancellor in 2009 amid recession and faculty skepticism of an outsider; grateful patients were the key donor base. As Gates Foundation CEO from 2014, she focused on strategy, decision frameworks and an empowering, values-driven culture.
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Public trust in science eroded during COVID.
She isn't convinced we're better prepared for a pandemic than in 2019. On ivermectin claims for stage 4 cancer, she says patients deserve data on dosing and harm; if a cheap drug cured cancer, pharma would modify and patent it immediately. She notes premature dismissal of the lab-leak question in May 2020 hurt credibility.
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AI could compress trials without cutting corners.
Desmond-Hellmann argues AI shouldn't change what a trial tests, but it can speed the pieces—site selection, enrollment, data cleaning, monitoring—so a six-year program shrinks. She suggests interim looks: at three years, you might already see the trend. And approvals made in emergencies aren't wrong if later data show less effect—'any port in a storm'.
EXAMPLES
- 01
The 83-year-old pharmacist
A patient from her practice with low-grade lymphoma illustrated the need for gentler, repeatable therapies such as anti-CD20 antibodies.
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Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation
Her husband has worked with it for 15 years across about 12 sub-Saharan African countries.
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Viral load as a surrogate
Using viral load as an endpoint enabled about 20 HIV drugs in five years—a model for faster trials.
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OpenAI board
She joined after the November 2023 'blip' and argues AI should streamline clinical trials so delays happen only when they benefit humans, perhaps cutting trial time by up to 60%.
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Fifteen breast cancers
With subtypes like ER+, HER2+ and triple-negative, precisely matched therapies could need only about 10 patients per trial because responses would be obvious.
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Returning to UCSF
The institution that once wouldn't give her a clinical appointment after Uganda later made her chancellor—its highest post—reflecting what she had learned in a decade of biotech. Roche bought Genentech in 2009.
OTHER RELEVANT
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Ask what a drug's benefit is worth.
Median survival gains measured in months, at six-figure prices, deserve scrutiny alongside quality of life.
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Expect safety signals after approval.
A few hundred trial participants can't reveal rare harms; postmarketing surveillance matters. The conversation keeps the claim tied to named mechanisms, numbers, and caveats so a listener can act or ask better questions without flattening the nuance.
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Demand data, not clips.
For viral treatment claims, ask for dose, outcomes and side effects from real trials.
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Use risk stratification in screening.
On prostate cancer, PSA density plus tools like PHI or 4K can guide who needs multiparametric MRI.
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Leadership lesson: build trust with skeptics early.
Faculty were as nervous about money as she was; she won them over by showing she could fund their programs and by listening, a model for any outsider leader.