181 - Viewing cancer through an evolutionary lens: a radically different approach to treatment
- Guest
- Bob Gatenby
- Read time
- ~4 min
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- 25 Oct 2021
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- 2:18:34
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KEYPOINTS
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Cancer is an evolutionary problem, and treatment selects for resistance.
Gatenby, a radiologist who trained in physics at Princeton, argues that oncology lacks the first principles that let physics make sense of messy data—as Newton did for planetary motion. His organizing principle is Darwinian: a tumor is a population of competing cells, and every therapy is a selective force that will eventually favor resistant variants unless it is managed strategically.
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Models don't need to predict ten years out to be useful.
Attia compared cancer modeling to economic models that can't forecast GDP a decade ahead, and Gatenby agreed that cancer sits toward the chaotic end of the spectrum (Attia rated it an eight or nine out of ten). The goal is not long-range prediction but answering 'what should I do next?' with models that are recalibrated to each patient's data as treatment proceeds.
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The pesticide lesson: maximum dose clears the field for resistant cells.
The diamondback moth has been hit with every pesticide developed and by the 1980s some populations resisted all of them. In Gatenby's illustration, a heavy spray kills the sensitive 80% and leaves the resistant 20% a whole field without competitors. Resistance mechanisms carry a fitness cost, so in a lower-pressure environment sensitive moths can out-compete resistant ones—potentially shrinking the resistant share over time.
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Adaptive therapy uses sensitive cells to suppress resistant ones.
In metastatic prostate cancer, his team gave abiraterone until PSA fell to 50% of its baseline, then stopped, letting drug-sensitive cells regrow and compete with resistant ones before restarting. The idea is to keep a controllable tumor burden rather than eradicate sensitive cells and release resistant ones from competition.
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The pilot trial roughly doubled time to progression.
Compared with patients on the standard maximum tolerated dose until progression, median time to progression went from about 14 months (consistent with the literature) to about 30 months with adaptive therapy, a 16-month difference—with less total drug. Some patients were still cycling about five years later. It was a small, non-randomized pilot, and models had predicted control would be lost somewhere between 2 and 20 cycles depending on the unknown starting fraction of resistant cells.
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The key surprise was a sevenfold fitness advantage.
The trial data implied that sensitive cells were about seven times fitter than resistant cells off-drug, versus the two- to threefold the team had assumed. Instead of plateauing, resistant populations declined, and modeling suggested three successive well-timed cycles could drive resistant cells toward extinction. They think competition for space and substrate, scarce in poorly perfused tumors, drives the differential.
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Small populations are vulnerable—hit them with a sequence, not a single strike.
Small populations can go extinct from minor shifts in birth and death rates (stochasticity), and tumors may show an Allee effect, where cells benefit from numbers, for example to build blood vessels. Gatenby favors an 'extinction' strategy borrowed from ecology: after a first strike shrinks the tumor, follow-up therapies attack the remnant before resistance emerges, as in pediatric leukemia regimens.
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Probability math explains why one drug rarely cures large tumors.
A 100-gram tumor holds on the order of 100 billion cells, so some pre-existing resistant cells are near-certain. Knocking a population down to millions and then adding a second and third drug changes the odds dramatically. Attia's analogy: the US could survive a 90% population loss in theory, but a nation of 33 million under ongoing attack would be a very different, vulnerable entity.
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Immunotherapy may work best on minimal disease.
Response to anti-PD-1 drugs is best in people with relevant mutations; first-generation interleukin-2 had perhaps 10–20% response in melanoma, but always in full-blown metastatic disease. Gatenby suggests immune approaches might perform very differently in patients with no visible disease, when the cancer population is small.
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Most cells that spread die; metastasis is about the soil.
When cancer cells are injected into mice, nearly all die at distant sites. Around 30–40% of women undergoing mastectomy for apparently localized breast cancer may have cancer cells in their bone marrow, yet not all relapse. He and Attia discussed few cancers that kill without spreading, such as glioblastoma.
EXAMPLES
- 01
Physics under Feynman's shadow
Gatenby studied physics at Princeton in the late 1960s and early 1970s before medicine, and found medical school's rote memorization—like Catholic catechism—at odds with his search for first principles.
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Hospital antibiotics
He compared standard dosing to a fixed 10-day antibiotic course continued after the patient recovers; overuse breeds superbugs, much as maximum-dose chemotherapy breeds resistant tumors.
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The p53 vaccine
A p53 vaccine in heavily treated lung cancer patients failed on its own, yet subsequent chemotherapy produced 60–70% response rates, versus an expected under 5%—perhaps because cells downregulated p53, an evolutionary trade-off that made them vulnerable.
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Darwin's finches
With billions of genomic data points but no observation of the beak matching the seed, Gatenby doubts Darwin could have derived evolution; measuring tumors' environments matters as much as sequencing them.
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The trial's oncologist
He credited oncologist Jingsong Zhang for running the trial against the grain; a European philanthropic fund wants to support a phase 3 trial in prostate cancer.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Ask about treatment strategy, not just drugs.
For metastatic cancer, discussing intermittent or adaptive dosing and the sequence of therapies with an oncologist may matter alongside drug choice.
- 02
Monitoring frequency affects outcomes.
Gatenby's team found infrequent scans (every three months) delayed decisions; patient-specific modeling needs frequent biomarker data like PSA. The conversation keeps the claim tied to named mechanisms, numbers, and caveats so a listener can act or ask better questions without flattening the nuance.
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Prioritize early detection.
If small cancer populations are the most vulnerable, finding cancer early—Attia's argument for aggressive screening—gives therapies the best odds.
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Being told you've 'failed therapy' isn't the end.
Gatenby dislikes the phrase; patients interested in adaptive approaches need an oncologist willing to try them, ideally in trials, since he isn't a treating oncologist himself.