247 ‒ Preventing cardiovascular disease: the latest in imaging, blood pressure & metabolic health
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KEYPOINTS
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A calcium scan is cheap and useful, but a zero doesn't rule out disease, especially in younger people.
Weiss, a cardiologist who now volunteers as clinical faculty at UCSF after leaving his lab to start a biotech company, says he did 'a full 180' on CAC scans. They're low-risk, need no dye, and can cost about $200, though some places charge $2,000. His two-by-two: a zero in a 40-year-old with risk factors teaches little and shouldn't stop aggressive treatment, and a zero in a high-risk 80-year-old has its own false-negative problem. Attia cites data that about 15% of people with a zero score have something on CT angiography, and about 1.5–2% have an unstable plaque.
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CT angiography sees soft plaque and small calcium that CAC misses, at higher cost and some radiation.
Attia says CTA often runs $700 to $2,000–2,500. Prices can differ tenfold between institutions, and fewer than half of Weiss's patients have coverage. A modern scan delivers about 2 mSv, roughly 4% of the annual allowance mentioned, but some older scanners use about 20 mSv. Attia advises shopping for both price and dose.
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Weiss treats causal risk factors, not end-stage findings.
Waiting for 30% stenosis or a calcium score of 200 before acting is 'insane,' he says, comparing it to waiting for lung damage before telling someone to quit smoking. He describes 'eye-bleeding' fights with insurers who want a heart attack before approving PCSK9 inhibitors. With low enough apoB over a long enough runway, both argue, atherosclerosis could become largely irrelevant.
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For stable plaque, optimal medical therapy usually beats stenting.
COURAGE, ISCHEMIA and ORBITA showed that optimal medical therapy works well even in mildly symptomatic patients. Clear stent cases are an active MI, rest or unstable symptoms, heart failure, or chest pain that doesn't respond to medicine. FAME and FAME 2 used fractional flow reserve (the pressure drop across a lesion) to show which lesions matter. Weiss notes that the plaques that rupture and cause sudden death are often smaller ones of about 30%, not 80–90% blockages.
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Statins can increase calcification while lowering events, so calcium isn't always a direct proxy for risk.
Weiss calls it 'incontrovertible' that statins probably increase calcification even as they cut event risk, likely by stabilizing plaque. Whether heavy endurance exercise is similar is unknown. He wouldn't tell anyone not to exercise but is 'on the fence' about the most extreme volumes.
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Statin fear far exceeds actual statin harm.
Weiss estimates that about 5% of patients have muscle side effects real enough to stop. A similar or larger group refuses statins out of fear fed by documentaries and online claims that they are 'poison,' even after 25–30 years of successful use. Liver enzyme rises also occur, especially combined with ezetimibe.
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Normal blood pressure is about 120/80 at any age, and drifting higher with age is disease.
The old view allowed 'permissive hypertension' in older people. Weiss now tells patients the goal is to get as close to 120/80 as possible without side effects. He traces the definitions from JNC 6 to JNC 7, which called 120–140 'prehypertension,' and says the evidence, not opinion, now ties lower pressure to lower mortality.
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SPRINT showed a mortality benefit from intensive control, with manageable costs.
The NIH-funded, drug-agnostic trial compared targets of about 120 against about 140 systolic and achieved roughly 121 versus 136. The results were strong enough that the trial was stopped early. Blood pressure was measured with automated cuffs, seated and alone, three readings five minutes apart. The intensive arm had more falls, syncope and kidney dysfunction, all reversible. STEP, published the year before this conversation, eased worries that SPRINT's early stop had overstated the effect.
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Fat storage capacity, not body weight alone, drives metabolic risk.
Weiss uses a bathtub analogy. Each person's genetically set capacity to store fat safely under the skin differs, and overflow into the viscera, muscle, pancreas and pericardium does the damage. People with congenital lipodystrophy or severe insulin resistance have extreme coronary risk; he mentions women needing bypass surgery in their 30s and 40s. Gerald Shulman's insulin-resistant mice got fatter and healthier when given more subcutaneous fat. A DEXA fat-mass ratio (central versus peripheral fat) helps identify this pattern.
EXAMPLES
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Attia's own scans
At 35, training at least 24 hours a week with LDL-C around 110–120 and apoB around 85–90, he had a CAC score of 6, a single speck in the proximal LAD and around the 75th–90th percentile for his age. Nobody seemed concerned. In 2016 his CAC was 0, but CTA found the same tiny speck. Radiologist Bob Peters told him a speck that small could be missed on half of repeat scans. In 2022 his CAC was 2 and his CTA was unchanged. He now targets an apoB of 30–40 mg/dL with medication.
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Measuring blood pressure honestly
Attia's resting readings averaged about 110/70 and then crept to 125–130/80 from August on. A reading right after climbing stairs might be 140/90, then fall a few minutes later. He averaged below 120/80 for six months but felt he was 'cheating' by resting five minutes first. Weiss recommends 24-hour ambulatory monitoring, because pressure varies with sleep, stress and exercise and is normally checked only briefly once or twice a year.
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ALLHAT's verdict on drug classes
The early-2000s NIH trial compared calcium channel blockers (amlodipine), ACE inhibitors and thiazide diuretics (chlorthalidone, which is more potent than hydrochlorothiazide). Alpha-blocker and beta-blocker arms were stopped early because they did worse. The remaining classes became first-line options for primary hypertension.
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The control gap
According to Weiss, in the 1970s national survey only about 50% of people with hypertension knew it, 30% were treated and 10% were controlled. Today he estimates awareness is above 80%, treatment is about 75–80% and control is only about 50%.
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Kidneys and the 'phase shift'
Weiss tells patients that living an extra decade means a 50-year-old should meet the standard of a healthy 40-year-old in heart, brain, bone and kidneys. That includes using cystatin C rather than creatinine for eGFR. An eGFR of 70 in a 55-year-old shouldn't be accepted as 'good enough.'
OTHER RELEVANT
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Use CAC as a cheap first look, not a final verdict.
With a family history, a zero shouldn't lead to complacency; consider CTA if it would change decisions.
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Shop CTA for price and radiation dose.
Ask what the scanner's dose is and what you'll pay before the scan.
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Measure blood pressure the way trials did, and over 24 hours.
Use a validated automated cuff, sit quietly, take several readings five minutes apart, and consider ambulatory monitoring.
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Lower pressure toward 120/80 while watching for side effects.
Dizziness, falls and kidney changes are signs to back off. Older patients need special care with orthostatic drops.
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Separate statin facts from fear.
Expect about 5% to have true intolerance, and don't let documentaries decide for you.