#28–Mark & Chris Bell: steroids, powerlifting, addiction, diet, training, & helping others live well
- Guest
- Mark Bell and Chris Bell
- Read time
- ~5 min
- Uploaded
- 1 Jan 2020
- Duration
- 2:11:35
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- 2.3K
KEYPOINTS
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Bigger, Stronger, Faster made Attia rethink what he'd assumed about steroids.
Attia says that through medical training he simply assumed anabolic steroids were among the most dangerous things around, an impression reinforced by Lyle Alzado's death and a Sports Illustrated cover when Attia was in high school. Seeing Chris Bell's documentary around 2009 was the 'thin end of the wedge'. He quotes JFK's 1961 Yale speech about enjoying 'the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought', and stresses that the film doesn't argue steroids are good or bad.
- 02
The film worked because it was honest about the family's own conflict.
Chris modeled its structure scene by scene on Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine and brought in that film's editor. Producer Alex Bono saw the core story when Chris mentioned that his brothers Mark and Mike were using steroids while he, the middle brother, was conflicted. Chris applies the same approach to a planned nutrition documentary: show what's actually happening, his own confusion about how to eat, rather than push a diet.
- 03
Chris challenges opponents without trying to humiliate them.
Attia praises the scene with the father of a high school athlete who died by suicide, whose death the father blamed on steroids, and says the evidence suggests steroids probably had little to do with it. Chris chose not to cross-examine a grieving parent. Instead he drew comparisons, noting that his own brother died in a sober-living facility with drugs involved, and that a 'steroid awareness night' at a ballpark sells beer to fathers who then drive their kids home.
- 04
Chris's recovery required family intervention and long-term support.
Their father had cried only rarely, Mark says, and the only time he ever yelled at Chris was to tell him he was an addict or an alcoholic, which Chris credits with saving his life. When Chris's girlfriend Lauren called Mark late at night, Mark and his wife booked flights for both of them to Sacramento. Chris went through three to four days of detox and then 60–70 days of rehab. Chris later said he felt alone in Los Angeles.
- 05
Recovery, like getting strong, is 'never over'.
Mark says there's no point where you arrive and stay. Years later, Chris's life had 'restarted at 40' and healing was still ongoing. Chris now says he's grateful for the addiction because it lets him help others. He says his film Prescription Thugs has prompted viewers to recognize their own opioid problems.
- 06
The Bells built strength from early on with minimal training volume.
A chiropractor who doubled as a powerlifting coach told a teenage Mark to squat to fix his knees, despite bodybuilding magazines warning it was bad for them. Within six months Mark went from a broomstick to 315 pounds for eight reps, and he squatted over 500 in high school. Influenced by Mike Mentzer's low-volume approach, they often did one heavy lift and left. Their brother Mike squatted about 675 by 18 or 19.
- 07
Steroids raise your ceiling but don't replace genetics.
Mark says steroids mainly let people gain mass. If genetics get you to 'level four', drugs might get you to six, but not to the eight to ten of genetic outliers like Phil Heath or Jay Cutler. Mark has used them since 25, now with a prescription. Chris believes heavy use, trenbolone plus testosterone and oral steroids right after rehab, left his tendons too weak and caused his torn triceps.
- 08
Attia approaches low testosterone in a methodical way.
He treats only when free testosterone is about one to two standard deviations below the mean and the patient has symptoms. He then works through nine steps: high SHBG (from insulin, thyroid, estrogen or genetics), too much conversion to DHT or estradiol, low DHEA, or weak FSH/LH signaling from the brain, often addressing these without giving testosterone itself. He rarely starts anyone above 50 mg twice a week, while Chris says everyone he knows takes 200 mg.
- 09
Sleep and cortisol are common reasons the brain doesn't signal for testosterone.
When testosterone, FSH and LH are all low, Attia's top diagnosis is sleep deprivation. High cortisol diverts hormone precursors (the pregnenolone 'steal') and blocks the deep sleep in which FSH and LH are released. On statins, Attia says theory predicts lower sex hormones but the data don't show it, because the body prioritizes cholesterol for cell membranes and hormones.
EXAMPLES
- 01
Mark's lifetime bests
Equipped: a 1,080-pound squat, 854-pound bench and 766-pound deadlift. Raw: a 700-pound squat in the gym, a 578-pound bench in competition and a deadlift around 715. He says the one thing he'd change is getting more sleep.
- 02
A bench-off at about age 13
Chris recalls Mark, then 12 or 13, pressing 240–250 pounds while a cousin failed at around 205. Their mother, who had never lifted, benched 135 the same day.
- 03
'Red meat and water'
In 1993 Mark met powerlifter Ron Fedkiw, then a UCLA graduate student and later a Stanford professor, who told him he was too fat and gave him that as his whole diet. Mark dropped over 20 pounds in a few weeks, won his next meet, went from about 240 down to under 198, and got stronger. He regrets abandoning the diet for 10–15 years.
- 04
Attia's own testosterone
After residency, sleeping about four hours a night, Attia's total testosterone was 220, below a reference range of roughly 350–1,200. He says it rose to about 650 simply from sleeping more.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Challenge yourself, then avoid getting hurt.
Mark ranks challenge first and avoiding injury second. He says warming up doesn't need science: walk with a band around your knees in every direction, hinge at the hips, and warm the elbows and shoulders before pressing. Attia's 'rule number one' is don't get hurt.
- 02
Start kids on powerlifting mechanics early.
Attia would like each of his kids to learn the main lifts, though he wouldn't let them box. Chris filmed a kids' meet in San Diego where children aged 7–15 had impeccable form. That gym bans parents from the training floor and has kids finish their homework first.
- 03
Learn technique from video if you can't get coaching.
Attia wants patients without a trusted trainer to watch correct mechanics rather than teach themselves. Mark says his channel has over 3,000 videos, including Ed Coan and Stan Efferding.