#138-Lauren Rogen & Richard Isaacson MD: Alzheimer’s disease prevention—patient & doctor perspective
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- Lauren Miller Rogen & Richard Isaacson
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- ~5 min
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- 23 Nov 2020
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- 2:11:50
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KEYPOINTS
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Lauren's mother developed symptoms at about 52
Lauren Miller Rogen's maternal grandfather had Alzheimer's, with symptoms in his late 50s or early 60s. He was in a nursing home for most of her childhood. At Lauren's college graduation, when she was 22 and her mother was 52, her mother repeated the same story several times. Her mother had been a sharp, vibrant first-grade teacher. By Lauren's wedding, when her mother had just turned 60, she couldn't stand with the family at the ceremony. Lauren's father, who was in denial at first, became an exhausted full-time carer.
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Most Alzheimer's is late-onset, and true genetic early-onset is rare
Isaacson has seen roughly 1,500–2,000 patients. He says he can count on two hands those with deterministic early-onset mutations, such as amyloid precursor protein mutations, which cause disease in the 40s or 50s. These account for well under 1% of cases. Lauren's family didn't fit that pattern. Theirs was late-onset Alzheimer's that had been pushed earlier.
- 03
APOE sets a baseline risk, and the genes around it matter too
E3 is neutral, E2 is protective and E4 raises risk, more so with two copies. Isaacson sees E4 as increasing vascular risk and the build-up of harmful proteins. He says E4 carriers may even have smaller brains at birth. He adds that 'not all APOE4s are created equal': nearby genes such as TOMM40 may change how an E4 behaves. He describes that point as his belief, not a certainty. Every patient in his clinic gets an APOE test.
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Alzheimer's has three stages, and the first is silent
Stage one is preclinical: the disease has started in the brain but there are no symptoms. Isaacson cites a figure of about 46 million Americans in this stage while admitting the exact number is uncertain. Stage two is mild cognitive impairment due to Alzheimer's. Stage three is dementia. He says roughly 12–16% of people with MCI progress to dementia each year, depending on the study. He sees the preclinical stage as the most important target for prevention.
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Women with E4 face a distinct, compounded risk
Alzheimer's disproportionately affects women, and Attia argues that women's longer lifespan doesn't fully explain the gap. Isaacson credits Maria Shriver with pushing him to study it. Lauren's mother was E4/E4. She also had a hysterectomy with removal of her ovaries at about 46, an abrupt surgical menopause. She didn't exercise, and the household ate dessert most nights. Isaacson calls it 'the perfect storm' of genetics, sex, loss of hormones and lifestyle.
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Her uncle was also E4/E4 but became ill about 15 years later
Lauren's uncle, her mother's older brother, also carried two copies of E4. He was a lifelong athlete and an obsessive cyclist, and his symptoms began in his late 60s or early 70s. Because both siblings had the same genotype, Isaacson attributes the gap to sex, the hormone loss and lifestyle, probably in combination.
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Body fat, especially belly fat, matters more for women
Isaacson says that as waist size grows, the brain's memory centre gets smaller. He cites a 39% higher risk of dementia in women with enlarged waist circumference. For women he tracks body-fat percentage and where the fat sits, not weight. He also flags widowhood as a major risk factor for cognitive decline.
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Prevention runs on the ABCs, rechecked every six months
A is anthropometrics: body composition, fat and muscle. B is blood biomarkers: lipids, inflammation, metabolism, nutrition and genetics. C is cognitive function. Repeating them on a schedule shows whether the plan is working.
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Hearing loss may be the largest modifiable risk factor
Isaacson cites the Lancet Commission's 2020 report, which found hearing loss to be the most impactful modifiable risk factor. Attia raises the question of whether it actually causes dementia or simply rises with age alongside it. Isaacson says he doesn't have a perfect answer, but he is considering referring high-risk patients for hearing checks. He blames short 10–15 minute appointments for the lack of screening.
EXAMPLES
- 01
Lauren's supplement and lab protocol
Lauren is APOE3/4. Isaacson's view is that E4 carriers need more omega-3, so she takes at least about 2 g of combined EPA/DHA a day, adjusted to a red-blood-cell omega-3 index of at least 12–14. She also takes purified cocoa flavanols, a specific curcumin formulation and low-dose B vitamins to keep homocysteine down. High homocysteine is linked to brain shrinkage. Isaacson aims for vitamin D around 50 (50–70) ng/mL rather than the 'normal' 30, while noting that the exact optimum isn't known.
- 02
Her cognitive scores went from below average to the top tier
Lauren has done Isaacson's test battery six or seven times. Her memory started 0.87 standard deviations below the mean. It is now about one standard deviation above it, and she is above the 90th percentile on many tests. Isaacson cautions that the results include practice effects and good and bad days. One visit went badly when she had let her habits slip, and she calls it 'a good kick in the behind'.
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Better smell scores turned out to be learning
Loss of smell can be an early sign of Parkinson's, and odour identification is being studied for Alzheimer's. Lauren's score improved, but she points out that she had simply learned to tell apart the coffee and gasoline cards. Isaacson uses it as an example of subjectivity creeping into an 'objective' test.
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Testing a couple's teenage children
Attia describes an E4/E4 husband and wife whose children would each have a 25% chance of being E4/E4, 50% of E3/E4 and 25% of E3/E3. He suggested testing the children in their 20s, and sooner if a boy wanted to play football, given that head trauma and E4 may interact. The family's GP called him, furious about the testing.
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Hilarity for Charity
Lauren and her husband Seth started the charity with a comedy fundraiser in January 2012. It became its own 501(c)(3) in 2017. It focuses on families: paying for care so carers like her father get a break, and support groups organised by age. At 26, she had found little in common with a 56-year-old in a support group.
OTHER RELEVANT
- 01
Know your APOE status, with context
A commercial test can tell you your status. Isaacson's point is that a 3/4 result is not a sentence: it is a reason to act. Lauren's brother panicked over an early 23andMe 'Alzheimer's risk' report before he understood it.
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Treat cannabis as an individual experiment
Isaacson is not against THC or CBD. He thinks the CBD-to-THC ratio matters and prefers edibles to smoking, but he admits this isn't grounded in solid science. He suggests changing one thing at a time and tracking cognition and sleep over three to six months.
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Start prevention early
Isaacson would start omega-3s for E4 carriers 'as early as possible'. Lauren started in her 20s. The underlying point is that Alzheimer's pathology begins decades before symptoms.
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Support the carer, not just the patient
Many carers are with a loved one 24/7 with no relief. Respite care, peer support from people at a similar stage of life, and sharing the load protect the carer's health as well.