#112 – Ned David, Ph.D.: How cellular senescence influences aging, and what we can do about it
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- Ned David
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- ~4 min
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- 8 Jul 2020
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- 2:15:33
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KEYPOINTS
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David's framework: aging is flexible, nature has 'control knobs', and some can be turned
David, co-founder of Unity Biotechnology, points to similar creatures with very different lifespans. A hard clam lives about 40 years, while an ocean quahog has been aged at more than 500, roughly a 12-fold gap. Mammals range from shrews living under a year to bowhead whales, and rodents from field mice living two to three years to naked mole rats. Since the biochemistry is shared, he reasons that lifespan must be set by adjustable mechanisms.
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The first knobs discovered were insulin/IGF-1 signaling and calorie restriction
Cynthia Kenyon's daf-2 work in roughly one-millimeter C. elegans worms doubled lifespan by impairing one gene, a 'mind warp' when aging was seen as passive decay. David cautions that worms are a weak model; analogous receptor knockdowns in mice give far less longevity. Clive McCay at Cornell first extended rodent life with calorie restriction in the 1930s. David believes rapamycin and calorie restriction work through the same knob, mTOR.
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Other candidate knobs include young blood, mitochondria and the methylation clock
Experiments joining young and old animals date to the 1970s, which David notes is 'not exactly an optimal way to live.' He calls the methylation clock an area of intense debate. He uses the analogy of a vinyl LP, whose grooves wear down with each play, for how living itself might degrade the epigenetic record.
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Senescence is an anti-cancer emergency brake you don't want to remove
Mice engineered so they can't make senescent cells are born normal but are full of tumors before reproductive age. Unity's approach leaves the brake alone and clears cells only after they have permanently stopped dividing. Even in a single dish of identical irradiated cells, some die and about 99% of survivors become senescent, and nobody knows why cells choose one fate or the other.
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The damage comes from what senescent cells secrete
Senescent cells are only a small minority of cells, yet they can harm their neighbors through an inflammatory secretory profile, known as SASP, that co-founder Judy Campisi described in 2008. Campisi also found the first in-vivo marker of senescence around 1995. Leonard Hayflick overturned the dogma that cells divide forever in 1961, after earlier cultures had been contaminated by fresh cells in their feed.
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The company rested on four questions answered in parallel
The questions were: do senescent cells drive natural aging, can clearing them reverse a modeled human disease, can drugs selectively kill them, and will it work in humans. The 2011 Mayo Clinic paper from Jan van Deursen's lab got David to meet within 72 hours. A five-year natural-aging study published in 2016 was 'the trigger' to go public about Unity's work.
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Osteoarthritis became the first target
David calls osteoarthritis 'the primary reason it hurts to be old.' He says off-the-shelf pain models are irrelevant, so Unity used Jennifer Elisseeff's ACL-transection model at Johns Hopkins. Clearing senescent cells, genetically or with drug, reduced pain and regenerated cartilage in mice. In humans, senescent cells hover around 1–2% even in osteoarthritic knees, but their number scaled with disease and pain.
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Phase 1 knee data were striking but small
The trial enrolled 48 patients, randomized 3:1 to drug or placebo across six dose levels of about six patients each, with a single injection followed for three months. Pain fell in a dose-dependent way and hadn't returned at three months. At the top dose, pain dropped from about 6.2 to just over 1 on a 0–10 scale, mostly within two weeks. David stresses the small numbers and the large placebo effect seen with knee injections, and warns against comparing results across trials.
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Clearing senescent cells delayed cancer onset rather than changing its prevalence
In mice cleared from midlife until death, about 85% still died of lymphoma, but it appeared roughly 30% later in life, matching about a 30% lifespan extension. David calls this a phase shift of chronic disease and admits nobody knows why. The same mice kept 41% more intervertebral disc volume.
EXAMPLES
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Showing Hayflick the mice
David met Leonard Hayflick by chance at the Portland airport. He showed him photos of sibling mice with and without senescent cells, the phenomenon Hayflick had first described decades earlier, and watched him take it in.
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Lab mix-ups still happen
About a year before this conversation, Unity ordered what it thought were mouse cells from a cell bank. They turned out to be rat cells, which is why they weren't behaving properly. David cites it as a reminder of how the pre-Hayflick error could happen.
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The Phase 2 design
The study followed patients for 24 weeks, tested placebo plus 0.5, 2 and 4 mg doses with 45 patients per arm instead of six, and added MRI and X-ray to see whether pain relief comes with structural change.
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Kythera and Kybella
At David's earlier company, one of four clinical candidates worked: a molecule that makes fat cells burst. It became Kybella, for under-chin fat, and Allergan acquired the company. David says that experience taught him dispassionate decisions about drug-development risk.
OTHER RELEVANT
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Next frontiers: the eye, metabolism and the brain
Dry macular degeneration is about eight times as common as wet and has no treatment; only about one in eight macular degeneration patients has the treatable wet form. Unity planned injections into the eye, as with anti-VEGF drugs, using a different molecule than for knees, because senescent cells in different tissues have 'different Achilles heels.' Senescent astrocytes and microglia rise with age, and David finds it hard to imagine senescence plays no role in cognitive decline.
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Treat health span, not lifespan, as the realistic endpoint
Mortality is impractical to measure in trials, so diseases like osteoarthritis offer a path to approval while longevity effects are studied in animals.
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David's career advice
Slow down, because you have your whole life. Build around a single beautiful idea that gives you goosebumps. He compares an experiment finally working after 18–24 months to love for one's kids. And learn from people who are better and more patient than you.