#15 – Paul Conti, M.D.: trauma, suicide, community, and self-compassion

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Paul Conti
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31 Dec 2019
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    Conti estimates 80% of what he treats is trauma

    The psychiatrist, who has known Attia since their first week of medical school 21 years earlier, says he has come to believe 80% of what he treats is trauma. In his view the other 20%, such as head injury, schizophrenia and biological drivers of addiction, is never free of trauma's influence either. It shows up as anxiety, depression, panic attacks and substance use. He guesses that more than half of what walks into any doctor's office ultimately rests on trauma, while admitting he doesn't know the real numbers.

  • 02

    Silent bravado can lead to real death or 'functional death'

    Conti's brother died by suicide, and about a year later a close childhood friend died after the same 'desperate recklessness'. Both, he says, had real needs and no place to get acknowledgement or help. He calls the more common result functional death: still breathing, but effectively dead inside. That experience pulled him from a consulting career, where more money and authority made him less happy, into psychiatry.

  • 03

    Suicide is the one top-10 cause of death in every decade after childhood

    Attia, who studies actuarial tables to see what kills people, notes that suicide appears among the top 10 causes of death in every decade after age nine. He cites a Wall Street Journal piece using CDC data showing about a 30% rise in suicide among Americans aged 40 to 60 over a recent one- or two-decade span. He hedges on the exact period. Conti adds that many 'accidental' deaths in younger people are parasuicidal: recklessness from people not invested in staying alive.

  • 04

    Trauma comes from five routes, and we routinely minimise them

    The framework Attia learned at Bridge to Recovery lists abuse (physical, emotional, sexual, spiritual), neglect, abandonment, enmeshment and witnessing tragic events. Conti says we ignore even overt events like assault. Smaller ones, such as a friend moving away or a pet dying, can become a lifelong symbol of 'no stability, no peace'.

  • 05

    The brain doesn't care about the calendar

    For Conti, how long ago something happened is irrelevant if it instilled terror, shame or false responsibility. It feels as immediate after 30 years as after two days. He links this ongoing internal stress not only to suicide but to cardiovascular disease, cancer and autoimmune problems, which is why he sees it as directly relevant to longevity.

  • 06

    Shame gets passed on through a different route

    Attia's insight from the past year is that trauma 'almost always comes out in some orthogonal way'. A mother sexually abused as a child is very unlikely to abuse her daughter, but the shame will reach the next generation through something else. Simply avoiding repeating the original event isn't enough; the person has to understand what it did to them.

  • 07

    Whatever doesn't kill us often makes us weaker

    Conti rejects the idea that adversity automatically builds resilience. Unacknowledged hurts lead to languishing, or, in driven people, to achievement while still miserable. He points to the Wizard of Oz and The Emperor's New Clothes as examples of our fascination with things that look strong but are vulnerable.

  • 08

    Psychotherapy and psychedelics aim to lower our defences

    Conti says Freud didn't get everything right, but the unconscious, the hidden part of the iceberg, still drives most behaviour. Both men are interested in the dissolving of the ego that psychedelics can produce. Conti says the goal of therapy, shared experience and psychedelics is an honest experience of self, which usually means acknowledging what we're ashamed of.

  • 09

    Modern society isolates us and expects too much from one partner

    Conti criticises a culture of endless phone trees and checklist diagnoses, including in psychiatry, that doesn't respond to the individual. He argues it is a fallacy that one partner should be everything to another. People need a broad mix of friendships and community, and without them, cults and cult-like groups fill the gap. He ties much suicide to an absence of meaning, and mentions reports that many people can't absorb an unexpected $500 bill.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    A patient lost 30 pounds after trauma care, with no other changes

    Their first shared patient was a physician whose father died of heart disease while she was in medical school. She followed her nutrition plan very closely and her hypothyroidism was fixed, but inflammation, insulin resistance and a 'metabolic rate of a slug' persisted. After she worked with Conti for about six months, with no change to thyroid medication, diet or exercise, she lost about 30 pounds. Attia didn't recognise her Christmas card.

  • 02

    Paralysis with no nerve damage

    Conti says his reverence for the brain's power over the body comes from cases like people who did, or nearly did, something they found reprehensible. The limb involved became paralysed and stayed that way for 10 years, though no nerves had been severed.

  • 03

    The question that broke Attia's guard at Bridge to Recovery

    Three or four days into 13-hour days of group therapy in rural Kentucky, Attia was still refusing to engage. A counsellor asked whether he would think it was okay if the same event happened to his young son, Reese. That reframing ended his rationalisation that it had 'made me more resilient'. He also found open 12-step meetings deeply moving, though he never once spoke.

  • 04

    A 19-year-old teaching a neurosurgeon

    In the treatment programme Conti ran for about five years, with around 30 staff, his proudest memory is a young woman who had lived on the streets. Late one day he saw her deep in conversation with a neurosurgeon, and she was clearly teaching him. Conti resisted pressure to separate patients by age or wealth. He told Attia that being with people who seem different is exactly what helps.

  • 05

    'You're always the smartest guy in the room'

    Attia's San Diego therapist told him his problem was always being the one giving answers, so he never got to sit, listen and be one of the group. Conti says vulnerability shared in a group is the beginning of an antidote to shame.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Listen to your inner voice

    Conti's first step is to notice what you say to yourself thousands of times. Attia describes a voice telling him 'how shitty I am' for anything less than perfect, from the moment he wakes up.

  • 02

    Almost everyone could benefit from therapy

    Conti jokes that only people with no problems at all should skip psychotherapy, meaning everyone should have it. Attia recommends vetting therapists for real trauma expertise; inpatient care isn't required to start.

  • 03

    Build connection beyond your partner

    Talk more openly with people already close to you, protect time with friends, and consider 12-step meetings or communities built on shared interests or faith.

  • 04

    Conti's reading suggestions

    He recommends Camus's The Plague, about how we all live among threats and need each other, and Katherine Mansfield's short stories for the subtle nuances of being human.