#47–Matt Walker, Ph.D. on Sleep (Part 1 of 3): Dangers of poor sleep, dementia risk, mental health..

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Matthew Walker
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9 Jan 2020
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KEYPOINTS

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    Walker found his field by recording dementia patients asleep, not awake

    As a PhD student in London, Walker spent two years failing to tell dementia types apart from waking brainwaves. Reading journals one Sunday, he noticed that some dementias attack the brain's sleep-generating centres while others spare them until late in the disease. He set up a sleep lab, got results, and began asking whether disrupted sleep is a symptom, a predictor or a cause of Alzheimer's. He now believes the evidence points to a causal role.

  • 02

    Deep sleep powers the brain's 'sewage system'

    The glymphatic system is a cleaning network run by glial cells. In deep sleep, Walker says, those cells shrink dramatically, giving cerebrospinal fluid room to flush out the day's metabolic waste. He compares it to Manhattan's buildings shrinking so a flood can wash the streets. That waste includes beta-amyloid, one of the two core proteins in Alzheimer's, so skimping on sleep lets it build up 'like compound interest on a loan'.

  • 03

    The evidence chain runs from brain scans to spinal taps

    In people in their 70s and 80s, PET scans show visibly more amyloid in those sleeping seven hours or less than in those sleeping more. That is associational, he notes. Rats deprived specifically of deep sleep, or with fragmented sleep, show immediate amyloid build-up. In humans, cerebrospinal fluid taken after one night of selectively disrupted deep sleep shows significant rises in amyloid and tau. That last finding is what led Walker to say publicly that sleep is a critical part of preventing Alzheimer's.

  • 04

    Sleep has four pillars

    Walker proposes regularity (avoiding 'social jet lag' from shifting bedtimes), continuity (unfragmented sleep), quantity (total hours and hours in each stage) and quality, meaning the electrical signature of sleep. He stresses that eight hours in bed doesn't guarantee eight hours of good-quality deep sleep, especially with caffeine or alcohol. He expects different sleep features to predict different subtypes of Alzheimer's.

  • 05

    Non-REM and REM battle in 90-minute cycles

    Non-REM sleep has four stages; stages 3 and 4 are the deep, restorative ones. REM is dream sleep, with rapid side-to-side eye movements. Awake, brainwaves are fast, at about 50–60 cycles per second, and small, like a stadium crowd chattering before the game. With eyes closed, the visual cortex at the back of the brain slows to an alpha rhythm of about 10 cycles per second. The two types of sleep alternate in cycles of about 90 minutes all night.

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    Deep sleep dominates early in the night, REM late

    Walker likens the night to a buffet. From about 9 p.m. to 3 a.m. the brain preferentially takes deep non-REM sleep; after about 3 a.m., REM and stage 2. So sleeping 9 p.m. to 3 a.m. preserves deep sleep but cuts most REM, while very late sleepers get the reverse. Attia sees this on his ring: more deep sleep after early nights back in California, more REM in New York.

  • 07

    Memory needs sleep both after and before learning

    Deep non-REM sleep after learning 'hits the save button' on new memories, so getting the first half of the night protects them. Stage 2 sleep, rich in brief bursts of activity called sleep spindles, peaks in the last two hours of the night and prepares the brain to take in new memories the next day. Cutting the morning short reduces that capacity.

  • 08

    Lack of REM sleep hits mental health hardest

    Walker calls sleep 'emotional first aid'. He links REM loss most strongly to depression, anxiety and suicidality. In young teenagers, he says, insufficient sleep is one of the strongest predictors of suicidal thoughts, attempts and deaths. Sleep problems and anxiety feed each other, but a four-year-old's meltdown after one bad night suggests sleep can drive the problem.

  • 09

    Drowsy driving can be deadlier than drunk driving

    Microsleeps, brief lapses when the eyelids partly close, become common on six or seven hours of sleep. Walker says drowsy driving causes more crashes than drugs and alcohol combined. Drunk drivers usually react, but too late. During a microsleep there's no braking or steering at all, just 'a two-ton missile' at 65 mph.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    A family killed after someone's 5.5-hour nights

    A reader emailed Walker that his wife and 18-month-old daughter had died in a head-on crash. The other driver had averaged about five and a half hours of sleep for two months and had a microsleep at 60 mph. The man was left to raise his four-year-old son alone.

  • 02

    Leaders who boasted about short sleep

    Walker cites two heads of state who bragged about sleeping four to five hours, then developed Alzheimer's; he names Margaret Thatcher. He doesn't think it's coincidental, while noting that public figures face pressure to boast this way.

  • 03

    Guinness stopped certifying sleep-deprivation records

    Guinness allowed sleep-deprivation records, the last real attempt reaching about 24 days, until links to mental illness, cancer, heart disease and suicide led it to stop. Yet it certified Felix Baumgartner's supersonic skydive from the edge of space. Attia jokes that you can jump off Niagara Falls 12 times but not skip sleep.

  • 04

    Rats die of sleep loss as fast as starvation

    Rats totally deprived of sleep died as quickly as, or about 20% quicker than, rats deprived of food. In humans, fatal familial insomnia, an inherited prion-gene disorder, starts like ordinary insomnia and progresses to death in about 18–24 months.

  • 05

    Sleep loss on a societal scale

    Walker says nature took about 3.6 million years to build an eight-hour night, and in roughly 70 years societies have cut 20–25% of it. Meanwhile, sleep is stigmatised as laziness once children grow up.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Protect sleep as Alzheimer's prevention

    With no strong drugs available, Walker considers sleep one of the best preventive steps backed by current science. Attia adds that almost all his patients rank preserving cognition as their top priority.

  • 02

    Shift gradually before flying east

    Before an eight-hour shift to London, Walker starts waking about 10 minutes earlier each day for about five days. The conversation also stresses that both deep and REM sleep matter, with REM described as arguably even more important for mortality risk.

  • 03

    Never drive drowsy

    If you are surviving on six or seven hours, assume microsleeps are possible and treat drowsiness behind the wheel as seriously as alcohol.