#10 – Matt Kaeberlein, Ph.D.: rapamycin and dogs — living longer, healthier & turning back the clock

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Matt Kaeberlein
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23 Dec 2019
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    A seminar in his first semester steered Kaeberlein toward aging

    Trained in biochemistry and mathematics and planning a career in structural biology, Kaeberlein heard Lenny Guarente talk about the genetics of aging at MIT. His PhD work went on to show that boosting Sir2 extended lifespan in yeast. A year later, Heidi Tissenbaum showed the worm version did the same, the first conserved genetic regulator of lifespan across such distant species.

  • 02

    Pet dogs are a better step toward humans than lab mice

    Lab mice are inbred and live in controlled cages. Companion dogs are genetically diverse, share our homes and get many of the same age-related diseases; cancer is their top killer, and big dogs get more of it. Kaeberlein also argues that people will believe aging can be slowed far more readily when they see it in their own dog than in a news article.

  • 03

    Treating healthy individuals demands a very low tolerance for side effects

    Geroscience aims to intervene before disease, the reverse of traditional medicine, so regulators and the public accept little risk. Kaeberlein argues society should debate that standard, because a 'healthy' 70-year-old isn't the same as a healthy 30-year-old and we know what happens if aging goes untreated.

  • 04

    Intermittent dosing may boost immunity rather than suppress it

    Joan Mannick's study gave healthy older people the rapamycin analog everolimus at 20 mg weekly, 5 mg weekly or 1 mg daily. All three improved their flu vaccine response, with the 5 mg weekly dose doing best with the fewest side effects, and none severe enough for anyone to drop out. Attia notes this runs counter to rapamycin's reputation as a transplant immunosuppressant.

  • 05

    Short rapamycin courses partly reversed heart aging in old mice

    In three independent studies, six to ten weeks of rapamycin restored ultrasound measures of heart function in old mice about halfway to young levels, without needing a break from the drug to see the effect. Kaeberlein lists other short-term 'rejuvenation' signals: intestinal stem cells (from a colleague's lab) and the bone around the teeth (from his own). He cautions that doses don't translate cleanly between species.

  • 06

    Rapamycin's cancer effects depend on dose

    Immune surveillance is a major defence against cancer, and it weakens with age. Kaeberlein guesses that moderate rapamycin delays cancer in mice by restoring immune function, while doses high enough to suppress immunity could promote it. Tumours that have already learned to ignore mTOR signals may not respond.

  • 07

    A 'party dose' revealed striking sex differences

    His lab gave mice 8 mg/kg daily injections, the highest dose ever used in an aging study, for three months from 20 to 23 months of age. Males lived about 60% longer after treatment ended, with better muscle function and less cancer. Females gained no lifespan and all died with aggressive blood cancers. He speculates the dose overshot in females, who may be more sensitive to rapamycin, even though the 2009 study that started the field showed a bigger benefit in females.

  • 08

    Alzheimer's should be treated as a disease of aging

    Kaeberlein believes rapamycin has a decent chance in dementia, ideally starting at mild cognitive impairment, but such trials are long and progression is hard to predict. He thinks drugs fail partly because researchers create the disease in young mice. Attia, who doesn't see Alzheimer's as one disease, is most optimistic about the metabolic form. Kaeberlein adds that rapamycin's boost to autophagy (cellular clean-up) might help the harder forms too.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    The first rapamycin trial in pet dogs

    Healthy dogs at least six years old within a set weight range (roughly 55 in human terms; weight matters because big dogs age faster) received placebo, 0.05 mg/kg or 0.1 mg/kg rapamycin on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays for 10 weeks at a Seattle-area clinic. Of 40 dogs screened, 24 finished: 8 on placebo, 11 on the high dose and 5 on the lower dose. Kaeberlein admits the uneven groups reflect inexperience with his first clinical trial.

  • 02

    One in five 'healthy' dogs had hidden heart disease

    About 20% of dogs that seemed healthy had valve leakage visible on ultrasound but not through a stethoscope, forcing a debate with the cardiologist about where normal aging ends and disease begins.

  • 03

    Heart function improved with no extra side effects

    Owner surveys showed no difference in side effects, and blood chemistry didn't change. Increased drinking was reported equally in both groups once the study was unblinded. Two of three heart measures (ejection fraction, fractional shortening and a filling ratio) reached statistical significance, the third had a p-value of 0.06, and dogs that started with the weakest hearts improved most. Kaeberlein says it needs replication.

  • 04

    The study he'd run with $10–20 million

    About 450–500 middle-aged dogs (six to ten years old, over 40 pounds) treated for five years, tracking lifespan and function, including activity measured by GPS collar. More than 6,000 owners signed up with no advertising. He argues lifespan is a meaningful endpoint in dogs because owners euthanize only when a dog is truly sick.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Weekly or intermittent dosing is the strategy being tested

    Both the human everolimus data and the dog protocol use intermittent rather than daily dosing to reduce side effects and possibly favour immune benefits. None of this has established a safe longevity dose for people.

  • 02

    A small positive study needs replicating

    Kaeberlein calls the dog trial about the most positive outcome he could have hoped for, yet it was small and borderline significant. Wait for larger, longer trials before drawing conclusions.

  • 03

    A normal exam can miss early heart changes

    In this study, a stethoscope exam missed heart changes in one in five apparently healthy dogs that only an echocardiogram revealed. The line between age-related decline and disease is often a matter of which test you run.