#105-Paul Conti, MD: The psychological toll of a pandemic & the societal problems it has highlighted

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Paul Conti
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12 Apr 2020
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KEYPOINTS

  • 01

    Conti views the pandemic as a societal trauma that was largely predictable.

    Drawing on a psychotherapy principle he summarizes as 'everything is as it should be' (meaning predictable, not morally right), he argues society walked 19 steps down a 20-step path and then acted surprised at step 20. In his view, the way we used new technology and built our systems paved the way for trauma that is both medical and socioeconomic.

  • 02

    Pandemics isolate people instead of uniting them, unlike wars or terrorist attacks.

    Attia cites Sebastian Junger's book Tribe, which describes suicide rates falling after 9/11 as people rallied against a common enemy, and notes that research on pandemics does not show the same effect. Conti explains that an invisible threat brings loss of control, vulnerability and suspicion: a stranger on the street might accidentally kill you, and you can't read safety the way you normally would. That makes people more isolated and more distrustful of each other.

  • 03

    A vulnerable society goes looking for an enemy, and it often picks the wrong one.

    Conti says the feeling of losing control looks for someone to blame, and he sees this coming out as xenophobia and racism. He fears we lose that sense of shared suffering across China, Iran, America, Europe, Africa and South America, which deepens divisions that were already dangerous.

  • 04

    Global cooperation is possible but much harder without a plotting enemy.

    Asked whether world leaders could have pooled testing, data and medicine starting January 12, once the virus had been sequenced, Conti says we can do it but don't right now. 'My enemy's enemy is my friend' comes easily. Uniting against a virus that 'isn't plotting against us' takes the deeper parts of the brain, beyond reflexive 'traumatic aggression', and a recognition of our shared humanity.

  • 05

    The pandemic hit hardest the large group already on a financial precipice.

    Conti sees an extreme gap between his patients. Indigent people in drug and alcohol treatment, where he is medical director, face 'desperation on top of desperation'. Patients with more resources mostly find some relief in hunkering down. He is most worried about the huge middle that can't absorb a roughly $500 surprise expense, people who don't know what they will be going back to. When medical, social and economic stresses combine, he argues, they amplify one another into a threat to society as a whole.

  • 06

    Society has written off part of the population, and Conti says some shame is warranted.

    Most of his work is about fighting the shame that trauma creates, yet he says there are things a society should feel ashamed of. Over his roughly 20 years in practice, he describes a dramatic shift: people who can't navigate complex systems, or who hit a couple of bad breaks, get written off en masse while institutions 'check a few boxes'.

  • 07

    Fear has become a false strategy for staying safe.

    Conti has never seen anything supercharge the belief that 'if I fear enough then I'll be safe' the way this crisis has. He describes a threat-detection drive, evolved to keep us alive long enough to pass on our genes, that has mutated into constant hyper-vigilant discomfort.

  • 08

    Attia's joyless, irritable restlessness has a name: demoralization.

    Attia describes days spent hustling between calls, with exercise squeezed into the gaps, while feeling no interest in anything and no joy even at the thought of the virus vanishing tomorrow. Conti calls this demoralization: a sense that personal effort is futile because you can't fully protect the people around you or change the world. He compares it to 2008–2009, when people who did everything right still ended up underwater on their mortgages.

  • 09

    Healthcare workers face pervasive and possibly generational trauma.

    Attia points to frontline exposure, possibly higher viral loads, and colleagues becoming patients. Conti expects the trauma to reach these workers' children too. He blames 'compounded ignorance' in a system run for profit and cost-cutting, which leaves staff feeling expendable, as disposable as a mask or a gown. Without acknowledgment and real change, he predicts more alcoholism, domestic violence and suicide years from now.

  • 10

    'I don't know' is a strength, not a failure.

    Attia admits he is tired of saying 'I don't know' a hundred times a day, whether to his daughter or to his patients. Conti calls it 'a beautiful answer': it brings humility, caution and collaboration, the opposite of the medical-school myth that a doctor should never admit ignorance. He sees hubris and false certainty as reckless. He also notes that anger turns questions like whether hydroxychloroquine works into tests of political allegiance.

EXAMPLES

  • 01

    Conti's presumed case of COVID-19

    His wife and two-year-old had mild malaise and his six-year-old was significantly ill. Conti then got very sick quickly: alternating fever and severe chills, a bad headache, deep nausea and shortness of breath with no congestion. He stood shivering with goosebumps under water hot enough to scald, which gave him a sense of how lethal the illness could be for someone older or with other conditions.

  • 02

    His father's 500-person event

    About three weeks before the interview, his father and his father's girlfriend, both in their 80s, planned to attend an event with roughly 500 people because New Jersey had 'no cases', even though little testing was being done. Conti uses this as an example of the 'middle school playground' mindset of 'I don't have the cooties'.

  • 03

    Absolute truth versus personal truth

    Conti says that believing Ayrton Senna is the greatest Formula One driver, or that F1 is the best sport, is a personal truth driven by emotion. Absolute truths are tested logically, and science is the toolkit for doing that. Attia adds a third category: probabilistic claims, such as whether hydroxychloroquine helps high-risk patients or how big climate risk is, which require talking in terms of error bars.

  • 04

    Balloons and 'spring inside of me'

    Conti describes tossing six balloons around with his six- and two-year-old children and feeling that everything was okay. His daughter, about to turn six, told him that having him home more felt 'like spring has come but inside of me'.

OTHER RELEVANT

  • 01

    Return to the 'lowest common denominator' of what matters.

    Conti's way of looking after himself is to focus on connection with people he loves. If you're alone, nurturing a pet, a garden or a poem can serve the same need to create something. This won't fix broken systems, but he believes it counteracts trauma at home and makes demoralization easier to bear.

  • 02

    Acknowledge trauma before trying to move past it.

    People instinctively push trauma down out of shame. Conti argues that healing, for individuals and for society, requires validating what happened and visibly working to change the systems that caused it. Pretending everything is fine just lets it fester.

  • 03

    Expect anxiety to persist after lockdowns end.

    Conti predicts more anxiety, obsessiveness, panic and agoraphobia when quarantines lift, along with more drinking, drug use, depression and accidents. A period of clear danger can make people feel unsafe long afterward, so this is worth watching for in yourself and in others.

  • 04

    Hold strong opinions with humility.

    If you face 20 open questions and feel strongly about 15 of them without logical grounds, Conti suggests saying so openly. He describes himself as 'pessimistic but not nihilistic' and urges people to help in uncomfortable ways too, beyond what comes easily to them.